Question about Arbitrage

Discussion in 'Guidelines / Compliance' started by Vagabondette, Sep 16, 2008.

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    I’ve been reading frequently about Adsense arbitrage and how it’s a good way to get your account banned. But I’m wondering at what point do they consider it arbitrage and against the TOU?

    My site is an informational site that started 3 weeks ago with 5 pages. It now has over 50 and I’m about to add a couple blogs. Because it’s new I’m advertising on Adwords to drive traffic but I’m also starting to get more and more organic traffic as my site gets indexed and referral traffic as my articles get used. Eventually I’ll scale back and probably remove the adwords advertising all together.

    But in the mean time I’m making much more money through adsense (and affiliate programs) than I am spending through Adwords.

    Do I need to be worried about getting banned? I guess theoretically I could just stop working on my site and keep it how it is and just collect money, but that’s not what I want to do. I’m building links, submitting articles, developing content for the blogs, expanding existing content, adding new resource pages, etc. so I can make it a better site. Will that show them that I’m not just trying to arbitrage money?

    Do they give you a few months of development time to get your site up and running before they consider it just a MFA/arbitrage site?
     
    Vagabondette, Sep 16, 2008 IP
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    Google looks at LPQ and gives a score. If they think you are involved in arbitrage that may affect your bid in Adwords (thus squeezing your margin and making the whole scheme not as profitable) Having said that, one way to proceed MIGHT be to NOT have any Adsense on the Landing Page you use for Adwords.
     
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  4. Vagabondette

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    does LPQ = QS? My keywords QS are all either OK or Great (mostly great). I read about the landing page quality guidelines and I think I meet all of them.

    @ThoughtPunk - I saw that thread and it's what made me start wondering. As someone on there posted, if you're actually providing useful content then it's probably not a problem. Well, my content is (IMO and according to user comments) useful and is constantly being added to.

    I read this (https://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66238) about what kinds of sites are bad LPQ sites and mine isn't like any of them.

    Am I just being paranoid? I've been a bit freaked about my income since it started and all this talk lately about arbitrage is freaking me out even more even though it's neither my intent nor my goal.
     
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    I don't know to much about arbitrage and I have never bought traffic. But I do think that given your situation there's no problem of arbitrage. Arbitrage from google point of view is really MFA(made for adsense) sites that got crap content just to arbitrage's sake.

    Don't you worry. Build your site, buy your traffic if it's good t o you and make money.
     
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    If yours is a site providing useful content, and you use Adwords, they would probably look on it favorably. I often check who's advertising on my site and it's easy to tell the ones providing useful information and the ones doing pure arbitrage (the latter ends up being banned from my site)

    You're probably fine, but the only thing I might consider doing is minimizing the Ads (or even removing them) from your Landing Page.
     
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    reena_rani Banned

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    This discussion is good for me.
     
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    That's cool, good for you! You must have found a great niche ;)

    T
     
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    GhengisKhan Banned

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    The fact that it's arbitrage is going to be OK. But you will want to excersize caution in ad placement and all aspects of the TOS. Make sure you are intimately aware of google's compliance requirements, and you will be fine. You would be well advised to spend a fair amount of time learning about the TOS. A great way to protect yourself and make more money at the same time is to concentrate on improving your landing page quality. Things like adding contact pages with real address and phone number, privacy policy, terms of service, can help. Improving LPQ, in addition to ensuring your account won't get banned, will reduct cost per click in adwords thereby increasing profitability. Also, you should have only unique content. Scraped or thin content is risky in my opinion.
    Lets just say that someone very close to me makes a living off adwords/adsense arbitrage. I, err.....I mean HE has a 6 month goal to reach 10K/month net.
    Also, having an outbound, non-affiliate link on every landing page provides insurance against google wrath.
     
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    Create one welcome page and post that url on adwords campaign . When we click on enter button to enter website than place ads in better places . You cant promote that webpage which contains adsense ads according to rules . But you can promote welcome page where no ads are placed .
     
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    Atulperx, I'm sorry, but I'm just not so sure about that. If a welcome page leads to a page breaking TOS, I'm sure it wouldn't stand up to a manual review. Per your post, I just re-read adwords and adsense terms and conditions. I do not see where "You can't promote that webpage which contains adsense ads according to rules." I believe you are mistaken. If you can provide a link to the rule you mention on Google's site, I will paypal you the sum of $5 USD.
     
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