You might want to be Reeeeal generous on the idea that people can change since the guy that threw Obamas first fundraiser was on the lamb for domestic terrorism for about a decade before his daddy got him off on a technicality. You do remember the Weathermen Underground, right? Bombs, threats, blown up buildings... ring any bells? Oh but THAT doesnt mean Obama's close to Ayres does it? I mean, I throw fundraisers for casual acquaintances all the time, doesnt everyone? How DOES that conversation go? LOL... yeah... you take the student driver with domestic terrorists for friends, I'll take McCain.
Please post some sources on this, for give me but your facts have been about as misconstrued as McCains commercials. Funny how he preaches change, but falls right into the dirty campaign commercials that he promised right to our faces that he would not run, and you guys still believe him. He is consistently showing you that he is exactly what everyone says he is...he does it everyday. If he can't even control himself during the campaign and keep that one promise, how can you believe him on the big stuff ? Even Carl Rove said he went too far.
Did anyone see the SNL. Pailin has a new alter ego I do not think pailiners would post on this thread again.
@G My friend there is no issue more important and urgent than stopping the NEOCONS. they want to start a new cold war and may even one not so cold. Georgia is not a real Christian issue it is a NEOCON issue. Do you really want to go for another ride with these guys?
The lesser of two evils is still evil. As long as you believe that you only have two choices, between two evils, then you will continue to only ever participate in evil. You, your kids, your grand kids will keep up the charade of choosing evils over and over again, then wondering why there is so much evil in the world. As far as the neocons being the biggest problem, you're wrong. The neocons are already thoroughly discredited by Bush and Cheney. Very few people take them seriously anymore. Most of their commentators have been exposed as elitist kooks. The problem is that there is one party with two faces, and everyone is tricked into voting for it. That party offers no opposition to endless war, endless debt, and decreasing civil liberties. Those are the most important issues of the day. Peace, prosperity and freedom. A government that does not put those issues front and center, is a failure. And that is what you get from Obama and McCain, and you would have got from Clinton and Giuliani. They want to go deeper into debt, they want to start wars with more countries and they want to continue to diminish natural human rights. So please don't lecture me on the Neocons. I know all about the neocons. They are a punchline. The next generation already realizes that they are fascists and failures. Their reign has been and will be short lived.
I know that one alone pissed off many of his supporters, so much so that he lost some 'from my reading' on DP and elsewhere.
It's a sham. An unaccomplished junior senator lawyer, vs, a guy who got shot down while bombing Vietnamese villages. This is the best the parties have to offer? In a time of military, financial, moral crisis, they come up with two guys who probably couldn't get elected to lead a Moose Lodge. Of course, one of them has to win, because the people are only allowed two choices. Dumbest and Dumber.
I know! Ain't it great! Did you visit the doll site? They are also selling Obama nd McCain dolls. Kind of a slutty misrepresentation of Sarah Palin. Also a pretty cheap shot. NorthPoint, that's just too freaking' "California" for anyone to ever take you seriously again. You would be well advised to keep that talk "in the closet" before you further alienate yourself from the rest of the beer drinkers on this board that spend their Sundays with friends eating BBQ and watching football. I mean, that almost UnAmerican!
California is an insult. I'm as French as they come. LOL. My former occupation: So, I am seriously, unabashedly, French, in terms of what goes in my gullet, or what I make for what goes in others' gullet!
Oh, forgot to add, that's when I'm not... So, kicking ass, or cooking bass, it feeds the soul...LOL. (OK - report away, shameless self promotion, and wantonly off topic).
What part do you need sources for? Does having it mentioned by both Hillary abd McCain make it untrue? Do you read papers? Watch the news? Or is it easier to accept whatever pap the DNC feeds you? Fact: William (Bill) Ayres - Member of the Weatherman Underground Along with his wife, was on the FBI "Most Wanted" list. Took part in bombing the Pentagon and Capitol buildings. Went underground for 10 years, resurfaced in 1980. Admits to his actions, but got off due to "prosecutorial misconduct" (read" "illegal wiretaps") of Hoover FBI days. [Helps to have a dad at helm of Con Edison.] Now a "respected" college professor. Wife was also a member of the group and took part in the Brinks Robbery. FACT: Ayres and wife Bernadine Dohrn (now neighbors of Obama, Bill and Obama served together as paid directors of The Woods Fund) hosted fundraiser for Obama to help kick off his Senate run in 1995. Washington Post story FACT: Obama has pointed out that he was 6 yrs old when Ayres was setting bombs in Federal Buildings [Note: Timothy McVeigh was executed for a similar crime, and labeled a "domestic terrorist"]. FACT: Obama might have been 6 when Ayres was a bomber who didnt get executed primarily because he was actually dumber than Timothy McVeigh at his work... but Obama was 40 when Ayres said on Sept 11 2001...
Shame shame. You are still trying to deceive us. these are stupid things to worry about when dumb and dumber are going to ruin the country.
Also off-topic, just wanted to say how appropriate it was that your martial arts thingy was sponsored by an insurance company.
Please point out the part that was "deception". The facts are linked to sources. Was Ayres NOT a terrorist? Was he NOT on the FBI most wanted list? Did he NOT admit to the bombings? Did he NOT get off on technicality and daddys money? Did he NOT throw the kickoff fundraiser for Obama? Does that NOT indicate more than a nodding relationship? Did he NOT make the statement he didnt bomb enough? Did Obama NOT continue to be involved with him even after such a statement? Do you think a relationship with a known terrorist is NOT going to become an issue? Point out the deception... or quit posting ridiculous claims you can't back. They don't make you look especially bright.
another fake argument. Ayres is nobody. He is not on the ticket. i will not engage on fake useless arguments. Pailin husband belonged to a separatist party and i do not hold that against her. we have real issues we have to worry about. like should we push to accept Georgia in NATO and confront russia because of a fu-kedup leader of a third world country that wants to put his foot on the bear's tail