India's government forces use gas and beat people like dogs. No Liberty to Protest

Protesters and police clash

Hundreds of Muslim protesters chanted "We want freedom"

Residents and shopkeepers in the area said soldiers entered their buildings and smashed windowpanes and furniture and beat them with batons.

"I was beaten like a dog and they would just not listen to me," said Maqbool Ahmed, a local resident.

The fighting has killed an estimated 68,000 people mostly innocent women and children.

 

While I appreciate your earnest effort to get back at Gauharjk for his posts criticizing the American government, I'll have to tell you that this is a completely different scenario. You can't oversimplify this issue by saying there is no right to protest. You need to read up on the history of Kashmir.

 

Srinagar, Sep 13: Expressing concern over the atrocities by troopers in the Kashmir valley, former chief minister Ghulam Muhammad Shah today warned the administration to stop this before it gets too late.
In a statement here today, Shah, president of Awami National Conference (ANC), demanded an immediate end to the excesses committed by the troopers.
He warned that the situation would turn uncontrollable in the event of continuation of the brutalities and atrocities.


Fresh protests in Kashmir; 2 killed, 130 injured

One person was killed and three were injured at Shopian in south Kashmir when police opened fire at the crowd. Another person was killed in Baramulla.

Yasin Malik, chairman of a JKLF faction, said: "Our movement is peaceful and no military might can defeat the resolve of Kashmiris".



Delhi attacked: Five explosions in three crowded New Delhi markets. At least seven killed.

 

I don't condone this but this is what happens everywhere on earth to an extent. We don't have too many effective ACLU like organizations here to encourage authorities to be more politically correct in how they deal with detractors. Bottom line is that India is the superior military force, has complete control over the region and the vast majority of the Indian population (not necessarily kashmiri population) agrees with the status quo. Any separatist movement is seen as an attack on India's sovereignty by the Indian population.

Nearly everyone in the P&R forum has an agenda they're trying to further all the time; especially with quotes like "mostly innocent women and children".

 

India has done ethnic cleansing in Kashmir. They have killed thousands of men and women down there, its so sad.

 

Great post, biz.

 

When is hurling rocks at soldiers acceptable and allowed protesting actions?
If that occurred here do you not think something similar would occur?

Select quotes, gotta love them.

 

I think biz and I both love select posts, like guarghakghaeiah's(sp?) about the U.S. being a police state because protestors were smacked down.

Why not post threads that focus on the problems of other countries and even twist them to fit a particular message? It's done with the U.S. being the subject in this forum all the time.

 

Result is here = Serial blasts in Delhi, India

 

There are serial blasts nearly everyday in Pakistan. A result of what some may call your killing the natives in FATA?

Highly uncalled for comment!

 

What is that purple stuff in the 3rd picture?

 

Ahh but when someone posting this thread has a history of select quotes it kind of makes that supposed message meaningless.

Not to forget all it does is take you down to their level.

Plus the original thread I believe you are referencing leaves out the fact from what I remember of Police actually going to places to 'smack down' the protesters before they even protested.

 

Grim Are you saying the human rights violations that occur in Kashmir and the innocent killing of 68,000 unarmed people meaningless? That is appalling to take that stance and feel that human life is meaningless.

The people of Kashmir are not allowed to have more than five people assembled without being beaten or sprayed with chemicals. Is this meaningless?

Try to read a little bit on what India is doing to the people of Kashmir.

Not everyone in America feels like some posters in this thread. I am saddened by the civil rights abuse that occur in Kashmir.

 

Yeah because that is the total point behind your thread here.

If your point was behind '68,000 unarmed people' being killed you would not have worded your thread title the way you did.

BTW many local communities have gang laws of certain amount of people here in the US being together, nice try there.



Where is the law written that if more than 5 are together they will be beaten and sprayed with chemicals?..... Or is that more false spin?

---BTW I am not posting to be anti those in Kashmir, I am posting about your selective and misleading way of offering so called 'facts'

---Further, where do you get the facts of 68,000 being killed that are unarmed and that most were woman and children?

Your own article states

Nowhere does it state they are all unarmed like you claim, or that most of them were woman and children.

I also find it amusing that someone is so pro Iraq war would be against India for this case.

 

Sound like you are being anti-Kashmir and support the killings taking place in the region. That is appalling. I guess you are giving India the free pass as well.

Do you need to be spoon fed? Google has a search feature that will help you find info.

"Curfew has been lifted but assembly of five or more persons is deemed unlawful," a senior police official said.

Indian troops have been criticized by Kashmiris and international human rights groups for using excessive force to quell protests in a region where tens of thousands of people have been killed in a revolt against Indian rule.

 

Not supporting either side, I'm disputing your simple lack of using factual basis for an argument.

I can see why when someone calls you on it, the fact that you can not substantiate the falsehoods you have put forth, the select quoting, you'd stoop to the level you have now.

If this is truly the best you have got I suggest you pack up and go home.

 

Grim I listed one article for you. You very rarely state any facts in any argument and yet you post nonsense crap and try to call it sugar.



You can be anti -Kasmir and support the senseless killing that's your prerogative. Yes,That is up to you. Try to read up on the human rights violations before commenting.


That is appalling.


You give your free pass to anyone and it's clear the issues do not matter in the US or India to you.


I suggest you pack up and go home before you spread the hate against the people of Kashmir.

 

I am not giving a free pass Homebiz, you don't even know what a 'fact' is as proven in this thread.

Where does it state 68,000 have died that were all unarmed and mostly woman and children as you suggested.

Where is the law written that if more than 5 are together they will be beaten and sprayed with chemicals?..... Or is that more false spin?

I bring facts all the time Homebiz, just as I will show those who bring falsehoods to the table. You have a habit of doing such.

I am not giving a free pass to show how unfactual your posts are, if anything you do more of a disservice to those you supposedly care about.

If you care so much about this instance, where Islamic militants have caused the war for independence one could only conclude you should also support those Iraqi militants fighting occupation.



Give it up already, most are not dumb enough to believe the falsehoods you posts.

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Again are all you capable of doing is posting falsehoods and stealing lines from those you debate? I see you did it yet again.

 

Wow great method to completely ignore your bias, your hypocrisy and the fact that you lied multiple times in this very thread.

Great debate skills that you have there.



BTW I do not support 'Iraq terrorists' I do however know the facts of the matter, the facts that insurgents are not 'terrorists' the facts that our actions brought the vast majority of the terrorists there.

I deal in facts not fiction, great method of debating though. Spin, lie and twist, never bring facts to the table, when called on the lies you claim to be facts don't try to show how they are factual, hell just attack the other for giving a free pass.



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Further more if you were so interested in sticking up for these defenseless people, perhaps you should know more facts behind the deaths.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/07/11/mumbai.blasts/
How about this article?

No we wouldn't want that, we couldn't try to claim 68,000 died, mostly woman and children, all unarmed, and try to portrait it as India killed them.

Our own country states..

So support one actual terrorist side, but don't support a side of where we invaded, lumping all of them into terrorists even those who are simply trying to not be occupied by a foreign force. Makes sense