John McCain does not represent the average American!

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gregdavidson, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. ShaneC

    ShaneC Peon

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    #21
    Increased taxes will only create a higher priced product, because businesses will simply add the new costs to the point of consumption.

    With new ideas, education, confidence, a little bit of risk, and just plain hard work/dedication one can do whatever they want in this world. Don't box your brain in, possibilities are endless.

    That's the problem, people want things given to them. This is America, the opportunity is there, but you have to work for it. There is an endless amount of people who came from absolutely nothing, and are extremely successful.
     
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  2. gregdavidson

    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    He lives in Riverside, California in a large house and is the richest person in his entire neighborhood. He just remodeled his house and purchased a $3500 fish directly from China. I think that's pretty wealthy. If you think you can't do it then take a look around because lots of people have done it without pure luck from the lottery. If they can do it then why can't you?
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #23
    how much is he making a year. does he have as much money as trouble the dog[​IMG].
     
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  4. gregdavidson

    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #24
    I don't think you need to be a billionaire to be considered rich. If that's your definition of being wealthy then maybe that is an unrealistic goal.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #25
    plain hard works might only get you to finish your grocery shopping.
    new ideas new invention, give me a fuc-ing break stop dreaming and come back to earth.
    taxes also can go to making our country more competitive. lets say we spend the money on education.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #26
    that is the rich that he wants to tax more. The repugs are only scaring your brother.
     
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  7. ShaneC

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    #27
    Ok. You go your way, and I'll go mine.

    I have no problem with giving money back to education, in fact I would encourage it.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #28
    how about for health care.
    i am going to bring two points on that
    a-one of the reason a lot of our industries suffer so much is that they have to provide health care for their employees and a lot of time even retired one.
    this created an undue disadvantage and make them less competitive
    b-there are a lot of middle class that can not afford health care, they can lose everything if they get sick and this also reduces our nations competitiveness
    the only people that benefit from this are the insurance company and the pharmaceuticals.
     
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  9. Firegirl

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    #29
    So I should be forced into paying for someone else's healthcare? I should be forced to pay healthcare for the yuppie crack addict that has a heart attack? I should be forced to pay for the thousands of severly obese Americans that are killing themselves by stuffing their faces? Or should I have to pay for the woman that keeps popping out kids constantly so she can get more welfare? Do you want to pay for my lung transplant because I smoke too much?

    Don't get me wrong. It would be a beautiful world where everyone was healthy and had free healthcare, but I should not be forced to give away my hard earned money. It's my money, I should decide where it goes. The government can't manage the money I am already forced to give them, so let's give them TONS more and put them in charge of saving lives!!! Uh no thanks....
     
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  10. gregdavidson

    gregdavidson Well-Known Member

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    #30
    Maybe you should write a letter to the federal government asking them to quit spending so much money into the military and maybe even to end the war after it's already been started. That should free up billions or even trillions of dollars that the government is wasting. Many of you will probably argue that this country will be unsafe if they did that. There's positive and negative sides to everything.
     
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  11. pizzaman

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    #31
    every one pays- every one benefits.
    please try to follow this. You have been lied to for such a long time.
    anyone that gets sick goes to hospital now. the druggie the fat kid and the illegals. they all receive their treatment also. and they do not pay.

    then who pays. you, me and every one else that pay a little extra for our health care so the money is made up for these people
    if we would have a universal plan the "uninsured" get their service at a lower cost because they will go to a doctor more often and will be generally more healthy. as a result their health care is less costly. and we will pay less.
    ALSO ask your self this question.
    what percentage of your health care budget goes to insurance company profits
    what percentage of people are not insured?
    what would you like your money be spent on. saving the guy from heart attack or giving millions to the insurance executives and why?
     
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    #32
    McCain’s dad & grand-dad Navy Admirals’ influence got John into Annapolis, not his smarts. McCain ranked 894 out of 899 grads, near last. Didn’t read flight manual, crashed 5 planes.

    At 42 traded 1st wife & 3 kids, for 24 year-old-millionaire Cindy, his beer distributor boss’s daughter, whom John romanced while living at home with 1st family, grabbing at chance to get Congressional Campaign funded.

    McCain’s Senator influence got trophy-wife Cindy’s felony charges reduced to pleading “no-contest,” when she was a drug addict, stole drugs from her medical charity, used forged prescriptions, paid a fine. Had to join Narcotics Anonymous, dissolve charity, do community soup-kitchen work, & presto …buy another charity and here’s Cindi McCain...
     
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    #33
    I have been lied to by who exactly?

    All you seem to comprehend from universal healthcare is that "it will be cheaper for me and you". But, what about the rest of the people? Where is this money going to come from to pay for everyone's healthcare? Does it matter that you are going to be punishing some for the needs of the many? What if the shoe was on the other foot? Would you want someone to take 50% or more of your blood, sweat, and tears to pay for Jonny Crackhead's heart? I doubt you would have the same opinion if you were worth 10 million...

    You are right. Right now, people are getting healthcare at someone else's expense. But, don't you see that universal healthcare is the exact same thing? Right now EVERYONE pays extra to make up for those who don't pay.

    You want a system where we only punish the "rich" so everyone else can be healthy. That doesn't sound like it's a good solution to every American to me. May be a good solution to you because you don't have to pay. Think outside your little world and really make sure your solution will work for everyone, not just the less fortunate....
     
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  14. pizzaman

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    #34
    you have been lied to in the sense that it would cost more.

    i would say the money that is spent now is sufficient to provide health care with a single payer system
    the extra money that is need to pay for the service to the patients will come from the share that the health insurance companies take.[their profit]
    keeping the current system only benefits the insurance companies and drug companies.
    there are many different systems in the world that do provide universal health.
    you just keep wanting top protect the strongest 5% of our nation.
    most of us are not part of that group and will never be. I rather work to the benefit of the majority of the Americans even if it means McCain and people like him having one or even two less houses. but i do not think it comes to that anyway.
    edit I am open to consider a limit in the dollars awarded by courts in case of lawsuits as a part of the universal health package.
     
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