So Sarah Palin failed in her family responsibilities, but now they tell us

Don't tell me why I feel what I feel. Work on why you feel what you feel.

Your speculations on whether the daughter was forced, whether the guy saw her "probably as just a piece of ass to him," all the rest - well, if it captures your attention, it captures your attention.

If it's "just too rich for [you] to let go," I'd suggest you investigate what truly matters.

 

good point on that feeling stuff.
i am playing hockey politics with them. they have done similar things all along this year.

 

Just as NPT pointed out though, she has held to her religious standards. Unlike most americans where one mistake constitues another (abortion) she didn't encourage and likely discouraged her daughter from getting one. I applaude that even when faced with the delima, they chose to stick to their values. Had they not, I could see why this would be an issue. As it is, I think Palin is trying to make the best out of the situation. I simply don't agree with you that just because a child makes a mistake in life (as all do) that parents should be labeled as terrible parents.

 

i told you before there are a good number of crack moms around that they have their babies also, and that does not make them good parents. does it?
i blame the parents for not teaching her enough for the real life and it is more than one mistake. just letting her hangout with those guys disqualifies them as a successful parent. why would they let them see each other unsupervised when they found out that they are having sex. I bet you that in that family she would not have the nerve to ask for pills or condoms.
now explain to me what kind of example the republican party made for their children by having the baby daddy in their convention. it is ok to have sex as a teenager. it is ok to get pregnant, drink but don't get caught.
i also find your stand on this issue a motivation to prove the point that they are ineffective parents.

 

I got a couple of questions. Assuming you are 17 (how old are you?), have you ever been unsupervised with a girl?

Also, how do you know that they were aware when she lost her virginity?

So would it have been better had the father of this child never shown up or supported it? Like I said, one mistake should not constitute another.

 

Good point. When you find evidence that Palin's daughter became pregnant because her mother is a neglectful crack mom, please let us all in on it.

What, her high school boyfriend? Would a chastity belt be the right direction?

Hmm. You must know more than anyone else, as I'm not sure when they found out their daughter was having sex, and what rules the family came to after finding out.

Very likely true, but I can only guess.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand. No, what they showed, if anything, is a belief that it's not O.K. to abort, and not O.K. to abandon a girl you impregnate. To be honest, a perfect exemplar of their stated moral philosophy.

Hmm. Just hmm.

Any reason this matters more than Palin's hypocrisy on the earmarks issue, for instance?

 

If they did not know when she had her first sexual experience then that is worse. You have to raise your children to be open with you specially when it concerns this type of situation.
i understand that the kids want to have sex.A reasonable approach is to talk with them, take her to a doctor and get some kind of family planning started. It still might not work and you might fail. but not every one can be a good parent, and they might need help. her fault is ALSO from the fact that she did not seek help.
[based on her political views]
EVERY TEENAGER WANTS TO HAVE SEX. ONLY SOME HAVE BABIES. AND THAT IS THE FAILURE OF THE PARENT TO HELP HER NOT BECOME AN UNWANTED MOTHER .

she is lucky that she is not gay. then she would have to deal with the crazies in her church trying to change her.

 

Exactly, this is why I'm suspicious that this may have been an intentional calculation on the part of the McCain campaign. I'm sure a lot of the conservative base likes that the daughter has chosen not to abort.(eg PHPGator's posts)

 

Could be, and as I said, my skeptical nature has my doubts as well - particularly the kind of pressure to come to bear should the girl have sought other options. But I also know these are questions I can never know the answer to, and it isn't worth it for me to speculate.

All of which doesn't detract from the facts before us - the girl marrying her boyfriend, the two raising the baby, and the husband-to-be publically brought into the family fold, having apparently made amends and taken responsibility for what he helped to create; all fit Palin's stated values.

At the heart of it, for me, is I can't puke regularly when people seek to crucify Obama because he wore Kenyan clothes when visiting Kenya - a traditional "head of state" thing to do - and then give a pass when anyone salaciously leaps onto stuff like this, particularly when there is no moral disconnect here between Palin's daughter's actions (and "redemption" emanating from them) and the apparent family philosophy.

 

you missed the point. i meant just not having an abortion does not make you a good parent

prgnancy is the issue. not sex. drinking is the issue not hanging around.

maybe they should be asked these question

and that is what makes them a failure.

they also have a belief regarding underage drinking and teenage pregnancy.
so in another word they put their political ambition ahead of their moral stands on some issue.
As i said they pissed on their family values

this is a more important issue. i do not think there is any abortion clinics left in kansas. the republican family value has been a total disaster for a lot of people so it is time to show their hypocrisy on this.
ofcourse you are welcome to bring up another point and i will support it if i find it as much fun as this

 

how about not having a baby at 17. is that in the garbage now.

 

they are not married yet. what is holding them back. maybe it is just a lie to get them past election.

 

Yeah, or maybe Obama really is waiting to get elected before launching the jihad against the United States we all know is the game plan.

Understand the drift?

 

No, you missed the point. That crack mothers and Sarah Palin share in common that they had their kids, is a ridiculous comparison to draw, unless Sarah Palin is a crack mom. For instance, I have salt and pepper hair, anymore (what happened?). So did Saddam Hussein. And I therefore am necessarily about to launch the Mother of All Wars.

I really can't help you with anything else, since you continue to miss a very key notion: this is the public exemplar of their family values - with "public" the only thing anyone can know. Whatever we may suspect, it is lunacy to somehow say this is the antithesis of Palin's stated moral philosophy.

 

You're right that it probably shouldn't be made an issue. But is it fair to make it an issue of what part Palin's daughter's pregnancy played in McCain picking her?

To me it seems that one of three things has to be true:

1. There was a monumental failure in the vetting process
2. The McCain camp was fully aware and thought it would play well to the base
3. The McCain camp was fully aware and were either indifferent to how it would play to the base and/or undecideds or they didn't think it would hurt them

It seems to me that it had to be 1 or 2 because McCain has demonstrated that he's willing to play politics to get elected this time around(same is true with Obama, like going back on accepting public financing).
Families should be off-limits but what if it goes to the motives of the campaign?

 

Please, do not allow the issues to cloud this debate - they have no place in politics.

 

All,

I guess now's a good a time as any, and unlike last time, don't want to make a drama of my leave-taking. Over the last year, my health has taken a turn for the worse and I'll be saying goodbye to the community for the time being, anyway.

It's been an truly gratifying experience - I've come to know viewpoints and cultures I would never have had the chance to know, in this oddest of places to find them. I'm grateful to everyone, those I've crossed swords with, and those I've had a pint of friendship with, alike.

It's my sincerest wish we come to know the globe is full of nothing but brothers and sisters, and that this one home becomes a paradise of our own making.

Peace, all.

Paul

 

as a matter of fact i hope if that is the case he will be exposed and if he becomes the president people around him to expose and impeach his ass.
i do not blindly support any thing or any person
i hope you get my drift.
get well soon

once the party promotes family values, and supposedly picked the VP based on the so called values, the parenting skills becomes an issue to be discussed publicly as it would effect the way that they will govern and therby the society in general.
i think that they considered her 6 months ago before it was known and he failed to realize wha has happened when and if she told the old man

no i was making the point and you missed it so let me take another crack at it. we all know that the crack moms are bad parents even when they carry to the full term. point being that having the baby does not necessary means that you are a good parents and is not a counter balance to the other deficensies that one might have.

not totally. having the baby is one of their values maybe the one that they choose to emphasize it at this time. they have other ones.
also i did not ask for any help.
how do you define a good parent? by what the children wear?

EDIT:
They are a failure as parent because they failed to educate their children and because of their own personal belief they did not provide her with condoms or birth control pills.
they failed her because by doing so they effected her life with an unwanted pregnancy.
I do not know how much simpler it got to get. all she needed was a condom and she did not get one. They failed her.
Now this inability to talk to one's child is not unusual. That is why a comprehensive sex ed class is necessary. She opposes that and that is why it is a valid subject. She wants to get in family decision of American families on issues like this, abortion, gay marriage and a lot of things like that. So in my book if you want to put your nose in my family i can put mine in yours.
on top of that the republican party failed the country by glorifying the baby mama and baby daddy for having them there. good example for sure knock out the girl, and be the guest of honor. Shameful behavior from people that want to represent the family value. Shame Shame

 

May God bless you to recover soon.

 

God bless you and I look forward to your return. I like the way you slap me around the forum.