So Sarah Palin failed in her family responsibilities, but now they tell us

Could be one of the reasons it's an important issue to him, as it is to anyone having this kind of experience (yours truly included). But the issue is the issue, independent of whatever Obama's experience was. He's right on this. The problem has made for a multi-generational plague on many American lives.

 

By all accounts, though none of us know a damn thing, actually, she seems like a great mother. Shit happens in families. Though I am troubled by their trumpeting the daughter as an exemplar of what they mean by "family values" and then whining about the politicization of the issue, this really is a ridiculous thing to hang on, in my opinion.

 

I agree with him that its an issue, but is that what the Federal government should be really getting involved in? Isn't that a behavioral and cultural issue and something that the federal government shouldn't be really getting involved in.

 

I don't think Obama wants to make it a "Federal issue," but instead highlight the issue to create discussion. Not unlike what Bill Cosby has been doing for years.

 

This is an honorable argument we can have, Sonig. I can only speak from personal experience - much of it while working for a regional brewery, in Chicago, where daily I worked with a crew of kids, in gangs, and trying to get out. Not one of them had a father around, and the only "family" they knew was the gang - a "family" they had to declare allegiance to by 5 or so, or face the consequences, to include death, no hyperbole. It is a national urban disaster, in my opinion.


Saw Phynder's post after posting. I don't know enough of Obama's talk respecting this particular issue to know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if Phynder's assessment is right.

 

I won't repeat myself. Please read and reread all of my posts about Sarah and you'll see if you can, that she has quite a bit of "baggage". Sorry I cannot read them for you.

I'll tell you only one serious reason though. A true mother who has love in herself and loves her children would have never supported a war like the one on Iraq in which thousands of children (plus many men and women which nobody in US mention) died for Bush's OIL ambitions. That was not a war in self defense at all.
That war is 100% anti-Christian act.

For me this is as simple as 1+1=2. Sorry, I cannot reason, I cannot learn for you or anybody else.

 

Palin did not vote for the war.

I hate to be the one to tell you but mayors and governors did not and do not have a vote in Congress.

Maybe you can pick another serious reason. Although I don't think you have a vote anyway; your opinion on the matter is worthless.

 

Although you are right she couldn't have voted for the war literary directly, she indeed supported and still supports it.
Check what she tells people in church about the war. I have posted ones that already.

(You may think as you please NP. )

 

You have ignored or refused to answer when I directly asked you if you were a US citizen with a vote.

ARE YOU?

 

So, a child born to unmarried parents are "baggage"? Wow. Don't let you daughter hug those bastards.

I am glad that you have the opportunity to disagree. There are a lot of men and women on the battlefield fight for your rights and I think you should take full advantage of them. We live in a very permissive society and I like it that way. Once we start saying - "You have to be married to have a child." Or - "You can only like women if you are a man." - That is when I start getting concerned.

 

What ST12 is saying is

1) if you are underage and have a baby you are a bad person.
2) if you are unmarried and have a baby" you are a bad person.

AND HERE IS THE KICKER

if either of those happen, your parents don't know how to raise children and they are bad people also!

He was crying about this in another thread. He will say it again for you if you like all the time thinking you don't understand.

What these people that do not have children don't understand is that some teenagers do not listen to their parents. Some teenagers will only think that mom and dad are trying to take their fun away.

I like the wonderful example SP is setting in her family. The fact that Bristol got pregnant and the family still loves and supports her is another wonderful example. In my opinion, this is how a family should work.

When that day comes for ST12 and his teenage daughter is pregnant, he will beat himself up for being such a failure. Then he will call his daughter a slut and kick her ass out of his house.

He will eventually console himself by remembering that if his parents had only raised him right, he would have not been such a failure. That's right, it's always the parent's fault.

 

What I am saying is to get pregnant while still in high school is a bad idea, it is too early for the girl to get pregnant at 16 or 17 (and surely is a bad exemple for others to follow). Or if you say it is normal and good prove it, but don't twist my words.
Phynder you are making up stuff and your language is way out line. Read and reread and ......... my posts about Palin and if you can't get my point too bad.


God bless all children. It would be much better for them though to be born in famalies where the parents are ready to have them. Recently I spoke with a black guy on a similar subject (who IMO is in bad financial situation may be he doesn't even have a place to live) and he said something like "stupid people should not have children". It sounds extreme and inhumane, but If you start reasoning you may find out he could be right quite often. If I am asked for my opinion on having children. My answer will be, read books on parenting so you know what to do when they come.
(A lot of children can't even read until 5th grade. What does that tell you about the parents? BTW my 20 months old daughter knows the letter A and everywhere she sees it she points at it and says it loud. She knows also a couple of other letters and one number.

 

How often do you hear people calling you a jerk or idiot?

 

You obviously don't have any kids or, if you do, should also consider yourself a failure at parenting. Children are constantly taught one thing, but most still have to figure out the consequences on their own. Just because her daughter likely did something against her better judgement (as many do at the age of 17) it should be no reflection on Palin's parenting abilities.

 

underage drinking speaks to her ability as parenting and having a kid pregnant 5 months at 17, is also a sign of bad parenting. there are millions of kids that have sex and do not get pregnant at that age, and that is because the parents have thought them about birds and the bees and the condoms. obviously this girl was not prepared for having sex and that is the fault of the parents.specially that she believes that there should not have a sex ed in school dealing in these matters. so according to her belief system parents are the only ones that must teach their children about these things. so they are the ones that have failed
if not then what is the sign of bad parenting. also hanging around these kids were allowed. heck she might have even given her a ride that day looool
it seems that she herself might have been pregnant when she got married as her first child is born about 8 months into the marriage

 

So you've never done anything against your parents advice?

If Yes, using your logic, your parents were equally failures to the Palins.

 

do not try to white wash the truth.
it was their responsibility to teach their daughter about these things
did she teach her about prevention? did they take her to a doctor and got her contraceptive? if not then she did do nothing to prevent the situation. nothing that works
no parent want their 17 year old daughter in this situation. some succeed and some fail. there is a difference.

 

Do you actually know the answer to any of those questions? I don't, I doubt you do either unless you are directly involved with their day to day lives. Your logic is that because she did something against any parents will (including Palin's) it must be from a lack of good parenting. In reality, I had my first daughter very young. It wasn't because my parents didn't inform me of the consequences of having sex at that age, because I didn't know what a condom was, or because my parents lacked the ability to teach me properly. It was just some dumb decisions I made at that age.

You have to be honest with yourself. Sometimes kids just do crazy things against the advice that they have been given by peers. That should have no reflection on parenting. I think you will understand once you have children of your own.

 

teenage pregnancy is a big issue in the society and her stance on sex ed in school is known.
so her public stance can and will contribute to the well being of society. her pregnant teen is the proof that her idea about parenting is not sufficient and thus should be subject of discussion.
if she did not try to effect the sex ed program in school it might have been a different story but once you open the door then you have to let every one in

 

Is that really all you bring to the table? Tell me that what I have said of you is incorrect. These are your words pointed back at you.

Kids these days...