It WAS for an unfair personal attack... on a pregnant 17 yr old who isnt here to defend herself. If you dont know why the comment about the "knocked up daughter" was wrong... ask your candidates. I've never red repped ANYone for a disagreement, but low blows like that are slimy and deserve them. Sorry if you weren't raised to know better.
I think a high school drop out could make good decisions on these matters if that person has a better than average mix of judgement and intelligence. There is no possible way that a person could come into that office being an expert on all the things they will have to deal with. If they're lucky they will be very knowledgeable in one area. The main traits/talents that a president needs, seem to me to be the ability to choose highly qualified people, grasp difficult concepts quickly, assimilate data coming from many sources(much of it coming from people in the cabinet that he chose) and then pass executive judgement based on the data and knowledge he/she has acquired mainly through his/her staff and hopefully through a contentious process where many minds weighed in .
She is NOT A MEMBER OF THIS FORUM ! She is part of a Political family and this is the section of the forum about political opinions. She is pregnant. It's on every news outlet in the world. Where is the unfair personal attack ? Bad reps are reserved for forum business, not political disagreements. If you can't follow the rules and play fair like the rest of the little boys and girls, maybe you need a time out and think about what you have done. You have taken your personal opinion, and bad repped a member that you did not agree with. Not because of unfair business, scams, or because I attacked you personally, but because you did not agree. That shows the intelligence of a small child. Why don't you just take your ball and go home ? Maybe the Political opinion section is not the place for you.
OMG ! Are you serious ? Amongst other things the President is the head of the Executive Branch of the Government whose responsibility is to "take care that the laws be faithfully executed". To carry out this duty, he is given control of the four million employees of the vast executive branch, including one million active duty personnel in the military. Both the legislative and judicial branches maintain checks and balances on the powers of the president, and vice versa. Various executive and judicial branch appointments are made by presidents, including presidents-elect. Up to 6,000 appointments may be made by an incoming president before he takes office, and 8,000 more may be made while in office. Ambassadors, judges of the federal court system, members of the Cabinet, and other federal officers are all appointed by the president, with the "advice and consent" of the Senate, granted by a simple majority. Appointments made while the Senate is in recess are temporary and expire at the end of the next session of the Senate. He may also grant pardons, as is often done just before the end of a presidential term. ..and that's just the beginning. This is not head of some warehouse in Ohio, it's leader of the free world. again... Homeland Security The FBI The CIA The Entire U.S. military, and with it all of our Nuclear Submarines, Aircraft Carriers, and Missiles. 350 Million people The Economy Trade NASA The United Nations Strategic Reserves Federal Judges The National Budget Law Enforcement Execution of Allied Treaties with Countries all over the word. Negotiation with Heads of State from 100's of differing cultures and traditions. Not to mention 350 Million People of Differing Races, Cultures, and economics ..and thousands of other things. She is not qualified to do any of them, and she doesn't have the education to understand most of them. You really want a woman with a 2 year degree, that has never even traveled outside of the U.S. going across the world representing you, and making decisions for the security and economics of you and your family ? (Watch someone post proof that she has traveled somewhere on vacation out of the country, completely missing the point )
Even your own candidates have explained why attacks on the 17 yr old daughter of a candidate are unworthy of discussion, but if you wish to keep at it I'm sure you'll discover I'm not the only one in this forum that considers it a sign of inferior intellect.
The major flaw in your argument is the assumption that the "right" college(or even any college at all) education would better qualify you to be President. Bush has a Bachelor's in history from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard University, and even though Harvard Business School may be one of the most prestigious schools for training the world's most important and influential, future executives(and the Presidency is an executive office), I bet you wouldn't agree that Bush's education prepared him for the job, would you? I think most education is useless for the President's job. Unless a syllabus was constructed specifically to train people to be President of the United States, then it would be less useless. The one thing a formal education does is add credibility to the assertion that a person has a certain amount of intelligence or expertise in a certain field, but education by no means is a definitive qualifier of intelligence and judgement, which I think are probably the two most important characteristics for office of the President.
I never mentioned where Obama went to school, just the fact that he and Biden, do have multiple degrees. In comparison to a 2 year technical degree, when it comes to someone to run the economy and be in charge of military equipment, nuclear weapons, and the economy, I would like someone who knows what the terminology means, and has more math than algebra. You of course will do what you want, but I don't want my second in command thinking Air Force One is an Unnecessary expenditure. The fact that you think the Presidents job is more about values and goals than intellect and education in the issues, is scary. I suppose a lot of people think like that. "Who cares about anything else, let's put this woman second in command in charge of Nukes". When it comes down to it, a journalism major with a 2 year degree is not qualified to run a country, I don't care how much you like her, or don't like Obama. It's a ridiculous argument to think she is. Most people wouldn't hire her to run their company, based on her education and experience, but you want to put her next in line to run the free world economy. I can't imagine what would make someone so jaded and blind as to think so. Just curious, If Obama was white, would all of you who truly believe in your heart that you want Sarah Palin sitting across the table from heads of state....would you feel the same way about her and the ticket she runs on. I only ask because the make up of the Republican Delegates of the convention was over 92% white, while the make up of America is considerably different.
You are still missing the point. You feel justified in giving a red rep on THIS FORUM, because you disagree with my politics. That is what this section is for. Find the post where I attacked Bristol. I attacked her mom ! The one running for Vice President. I would have never even known her daughters name if Palin hadn't introduced her to the entire nation on at least 3 occasions. I merely posted a believed theory that Palin was lying. I didn't see you so bent out of shape when Obamas daughters were attacked with racial slurs, yet, I bring up documented and national news and I lack intellect. That is some pretty convenient righteousness you have there.
I'm done explaining it. I dont mind clarifying, but I can't understand ethics FOR you. If you think I broke a rule, tell a mod, otherwise stick to the subject. ======== And if I want change... Old school pols like Joe Biden supported by go-along-to-get-along sycophants that vote a straight partyline like Obama are not where I'll look. As low as Bush approval figures are... they're HIGHER than the legislative branch. If I want someone to shake things up... gimme a CnC with an Academy degree and Naval War College experience afterward + a record of thumbing his nose at his party at crucial junctures, coupled with and a #2 who took down entrenched corrupt establishment in her own party to gain her governorship. The Dems are complaining about "more of the same", but offer people with ZERO history of bucking their party. "More of the same" from the one branch actually LESS popular than Bush. You will do what you want, but even if it were true I wouldnt avoid that problem by immediately making Commander in Chief outta the least experienced passenger on Airforce One.
If you can't run with the "big dog (rob jones)" you should stay on the porch. Rob is kicking butt and taking names. Rob you need to take it easy, most folks aren't use to common sense and logic. Your first quote listed is going to be a classic. "Always felt similarly about a party that'd kill a baby caused by rape but not a rapist that kills a baby. If they put mental gymnastics in the Olympics that routine would get gold." Even the female Clinton loves Palin.
I just can't take that chance. Her story has too many inconsistencies, and too many from her state are coming out with personal knowledge of her based on years of experience. Right down to the waitress that over heard this infamous line: "So the Sambo beat the bitch". Referring to Barack Obama securing the nomination. I don't believe everything I hear or read, but there are just to many variables to put the future of my country in the hands of Hoping she will be O.K. If Mccain goes down, I seriously don't think any of you truly believe she is ready to take over. Once we get past all the party rhetoric, racism, and anger...the bottom line is, Commander and Chief is not a popularity contest. Who truly has the temperament to control the most powerful economy and military in the world ? U.S. Senators with Degrees in Economics and Foreign Relation Experience, or an Honored Veteran and a mayor/ex beauty queen from Alaska, who hit a game winning foul shot for a high school state championship? Her Resume is not even good enough to run a T.V. network. Electing the "Hometown Girl" is great for Congress and Governor, but not for Second in Command. <Edited> Last thing. RobJones, Why don't you try having a discussion without insulting peoples upbringing, intellect and education. Especially since you don't me, my education. Personal insults can be a dangerous game when you don't know the person on the other side of the screen name. I don't believe I even insulted the way your mother raised you, or anything of the sort. Can't you disagree on an issue without getting personal ? Usually that is a sign of frustration...much like kids on a playground....when they can't win, or are made to feel inferior they result to, "Yo Moma". I know you are a little more intelligent than that, and can express your points without going off target to make accusations and be insulting to people that you do not know.
their inability to control their children is fair game. The fact that her kid is pregnant is proof that some of her ideas are not workable. if the daughter drinks in their house goes to their judgment. why were the liqueur cabinet open. if other kids drink in their house it is even worse. may be even illegal in some states. certainly brings her values into question. now as far as giving interview, it is up to her but if she can not face bill moyers how is she going to face putin.
Why? Do you think the President should sit as his desk working out calculus problems in order to make decisions on the economy, or is it more important that he have good economic advisors with PhDs that communicate the problems, the possible solutions and likely outcomes of each solution, and communicate it in a way that an intelligent person without a formal education in economics could understand in order to make a good decision? How many presidents in history do you think were doing calculus in the oval office? I never said that. And you're confusing education with intellect again. So you think Bush has done a good job then? He has a degree from Yale and a degree from Harvard. You going to apply your standard consistently? I'm voting for Obama so I'm not sure that whatever point you're trying to make is really going to be valid.
Most people aren't use language means conveyance properly are, either. Yeah, like, totally. I mean, hell, those facts just get in the way of the propaganda. Stuff like, well, hell, dunno, $23 million in federal pork for a town of 6500 or so, at the time; preaching support for 100's of millions in federal pork for a bridge for the citizens of Ketchikan, Alaska, who cheer their support in return, and elect her to office - and then, Presto! Mounts a crusader cape, snips the notion of ear(marks) as fast as Vincent Van Gogh, screws the bridge (but stashes the money anyway, for other treasured projects), and, uh....still maintains the highest per capita federal pork in the nation as the crusadin' gov. &^%#$^^&%$#$##@% Facts! Maybe if we all stay real quiet like, they'll just go away. Let us pray.
Qualification and issues should be the focus. We have one Presidential Candidate grossly unqualified and under qualified and we are talking about a VP. Very funny
You disgust any reasonable person, Homebiz. You know very well Hmansfeld said nothing of the kind, though in your very, very limited world, this gives you the jollies. Reported.
Agreed - which is why I find it particularly disgusting you play games like this, responding to a known Black-American member of our community with your own bilious crap like this. Difficult to even dignify this, but Hmansfield did not say this, as you well know, but reported on what another said - and you falsely repeated it three times, all referring to the same post. Nothing but baiting. Hope you enjoyed yourself. Be careful, now - the Palin facts are creeping up on you, wouldn't want them to get the upper hand on propaganda, all. I don't know how many times the fact of her taste for pork has been brought up, only to be ignored under a carpet of propaganda. Enjoy yourselves, gents. The American people aren't that stupid.
If you consider it in bad taste and find it offensive. I will edit it for you. I felt the post was a racial slur by Hmansfield and he was trying to bait everyone. I found it very offensive. Its amazing that everyone can slur palin and her daughter and sleep. That the way to take the higher ground.
Harold, ask me to be civil and while doing so suggest I'm acting like a school child. Youve made... two recent suggestions our opposition to Obama may be racially based, you've twice made references to Govornor Palins "knocked up kid" despite the fact that even Obama & Biden said doing so is beneath contempt and not cogent to the discussion... and the first post you made after mine began... If you are under the impression you've been even marginally civil thus far... let me clear up the misconception. When you get smarter I'll get gentler. Until then dont expect tender treatment while dealing bile. ~ Thanks