A few thoughts : Are humans/human lives ALWAYS more valuable than animals?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by lightless, Sep 2, 2008.

  1. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

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    Closely related species will demonstrate some social and behavioral traits that it's predecessor demonstrated. What we wouldn't expect is for closely related species to display, As adults, the social and behavioral characteristics only displayed by it's ancestors while they were juvenile, Unless of course their mental development had been retarded through breeding and they remained in the juvenile stage all their lives.

    This rapid evolution of dogs from wolves is an example of neotenyor paedomorphism. As with many species, the young wolves are more social and less dominant than adults; therefore, the selection for these characteristics, whether deliberate or inadvertent, is more likely to result in a simple retention of juvenile characteristics into adulthood than to generate a complex of independent new changes in behavior.

    This is the problem, You got the definitions of words from the school yard when you were 12, I get mine from dictionaries. When something is "retarded" it means it is restricted, Held back, Not allowed to develop.

    What i meant when i said dogs "don't want to" is that it isn't natural behavior for an animal. It had to be bred in to the dog at the expense of it's mental development. prove me wrong, Try and stroke a coyote, See if he likes it.

    if they were bred to mentally stay juvenile would they not be retarded?

    Why what do you think is "normal" for an animal? having it's own bed and living in a house? Attacking, killing and eating is perfectly normal behaviour for an animal. Don't humanise them, it does very little for your case.
     
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    Man has a few things in common with buffalo's, elephants, wolves, dogs and other social animals. Maybe because they are beings that live in "societies" and groups.

    For example, a pack of elephant's or wild buffalo's will aid each other and come to each other's rescue like man would. While individualistic animals like cats won't usually help each other and come to each other's rescue. Hence my pet dog will protect me against an violent intruder, but my pet cat will probably run away.
     
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    The property is located in Olancho, Honduras. My main project was to plant coffee. I have 17 acres planted with 35,000 coffee trees at between 3300 to 4000 ft. There's a lot of birds that have been attracted to the area. I left the old growth hardwood that was there and planted mahagony and other trees. I also planted a lot of bananas and platanos which the birds really like.

    It's traditional to mix cattle and coffee together. The cattle at the lower altitudes. With the crime problems, I would have had to build a hacienda to safeguard the cattle and it wasn't worth it. So I just kept the pack animals to haul the coffee.
     
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    What a great story, Bogart. Congratulations.
     
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    Interesting and tempting indeed.

    Ah beautiful central and south American birds. Ever seen a quetzal? :D
     
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    #26
    Honduras is a great place to do something like that. It's only about an hour from Miami and way more affordable than Costa Rica.

    I've seen a quetzal in Copan but that's on the other side of the country.

    La Muralla National Park is about an hour away from my property and is full of wild life. Eastern Olancho and the La Moskitia are still in Jungle and the only way to access the area is by canoe.
     
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    Barti1987 Well-Known Member

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    #27
    Human life is more important than Animal life, no matter what the situation is.

    However, this is not to say that we shouldn't care for animals or see the best for them.

    Peace,
     
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    Even when the humans are the cases i specifically mentioned?
    I hope not.
     
    lightless, Sep 6, 2008 IP