The Palin Speech in Full: Palin: Al Qaeda. Audience: Booooooo! Palin: Obama. Audience:Boooooo! Palin: Me and McCain Audience: Huuuurrrrraaaaayyyy! Wild applause. Palin: Could the owner of the Cadillac CTS registration XXXXX-XX please move it as it's blocking a fire exit. Audience: Huurayyy, errrr, booo, errrrrr...
With all this mud slinging, if I am a voter I will vote for her instead. Makes me feel that she is more of a human being than those other politicians who put themselves on a pedestal. I guess you are right on the publicity thingy. Hope she comes out of this baptism of fire stronger and more ready to assume the top post in case McCain kicks the bucket.
I find it amusing that you repeatedly tout Obama' record when he has done next to nothing compared to most junior senators. DO you think women should not be in politics?
I think we should be very careful to distinguish "mud" from legitimate questions, however. I am aghast the McCain camp has made the claim the media has been on an essential witch-hunt by questions asked over Gov. Palin's various positions - and how these square with her actual past behavior, as Governor, or Mayor of Wasilla. I am deeply offended, to be honest, the claim is being made by a camp that selected the largely unknown nominee after one phone call, apparently in a frenetic desire to avoid a a right-wing party defection over McCain's first choice for V.P.. With a few short weeks to go before the election - 8, to be exact - and given what seems to me to be the incredible disconnect between what Palin is being publically touted to be, and what she is in practice: -a financial reformer who now acts as a firebrand in condemning federal pork, who has tapped federal pork to the tune of millions while mayor of a town of less than 9,000, and who continued the practice as governor; -who came to gubernatorial office on the crest of supporting a massive, federally funded Bridge, the Ketchikan Bridge, the so-called "Bridge to Nowhere." Who then used the bridge as a cynical tool to build her public perception as a firebrand fiscal reformer. From her speech last night: It is bullshit, and the press was right to report on it: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN3125537020080901 -among others, I want to simply say to McCain's handlers, pleaaaaaase. I've also said this on other threads, regarding the "personal" stuff: I think the salacious feed on her daughter's plight was wrong, and Obama was honorable and right to condemn it. That said, I do have to say, if Palin and the McCain ticket is going to use the daughter as fodder for the campaign, they can't very well cry foul if the daughter is made "political" by coverage. And not that it justifies a tit-for-tat, but anyone witnessing Palin's speech last night would have to acknowledge the personal attacks on Obama. I was personally disgusted by the governor's speech. Excerpts: Here's what some had to say about his work: (Source: The Nation). I'd like Palin to look in the eyes of a single laid off steelworker who Obama helped - at the grand total of $13,000 salary yearly - working to see they got their rightful pension and health benefits, and tell them the work he did was worthless. Or, With these disingenuous and cynical remarks, she appealed to the worst instincts in all of us, and might as well have called her opponent, the standing nominee for the presidency, a traitor to his country. You can't have it both ways. You can't call for an investigation into what your opponent actually stands for, then whine "foul" when legitimate questions are raised about your own candidate's concrete philosophy, in action. You can't demand an embargo on "family stuff," then use your family as political leverage; you can't call for an embargo on "personal stuff" and then go to the gutter yourself. But the McCain ticket sure as hell seems to be trying. Edited to add: See above post if confused over what "disingenuous" means in practice.
You are basically touching on an old critique of evolutionary theory, namely, evolution, given the second law of thermodynamics, or entropy. In a word, "how can life forms proceed to greater and greater complexity, given entropy?" It is fairly complex, and given discussions on the subject here, I don't want to waste time going into the specifics of the physics involved, as I understand them, and beyond, others can articulate the principles better (as biological and physiological processes are where I have specific knowledge, with relatively lesser knowledge in chemical thermodynamics). But at the heart of it, the false disconnect between evolution and entropy comes from a misread of what entropy means. The issue has been dealt with a long time. Here's one I just found, a decent start: http://www.2ndlaw.com/evolution.html.
Where in that post is the user 'tout'ing Obama's record, or stating anything close to 'woman should not be president' This is as bad as those on the democrats side claiming racism where there is none when it comes to people not supporting Obama. Of course some might not for a woman based on gender, just as someone might not vote for Obama based on his race. You can not jump to that conclusion simply from someone not supporting the individual without something of substance to back it up. In this case there is no substance at all.
I still believe this is the issue that the Republican party is outright ignoring. Its neither an attack on Sarah Palin or her daughter. Teenage pregnancy presents a long term problem for innumerable families. It sets a pattern for poverty. The US has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy amongst developed nations. It leads to greater use of the welfare system by more young people struggling with child care, and thereby less capable of developing their economic skills to be better producers. It leads to more family problems of enormous consequences stretching through generations. It is an enormous cost on the lives of those involved and on the society in general with higher welfare costs, higher costs with families unnable to optimize their incomes and afford health care and education, and creates a greater number of individuals with greater difficulties having been brought up in struggling homes. In ignoring this, and in fact, in creating the best easiest arguments for teens to say...."what is the problem--the daughter of the VP is teenage parent having had unwed sex and a child, it simply exaserbates the problem. When one emphasizes one issue--no abortions-- to the extent that it ignores a different issue--teenage parents--it simply creates a different problem. Not only does this encourage teenage sex--it makes it more difficult to listen to folks who both want to cut out welfare/cut out help to those who are needy/cry out about the waste of government spending/ etc.--and then want to put a person in office whose daughter embodies the problem on a large societal level.
I doubt you've ever been personally faced with the situation. Sure, there is some struggles with having children at a very young age. However, abortion is not the answer.
You should at least try to be original with the bashing. This is the exact same things that were said about Clinton.
I only watched a small bit of it and have to admit her voice sounded outright whiny to me, she did also look like a primped up porn start as already stated If the porn star item is good or bad though, you'll have to decided.
I personally never dealt with a teenage pregnancy as a father. Geez, I know lots of people who have dealt with teenage pregnancy issues, some of them very very well and some with extensive problems. Some chose to have the children, some chose abortion, I know one who gave the child up for adoption. None of the answers are easy. I never said abortion is the answer. I never got close to saying that. The problem is that there this nation has the highest level of teenage pregnancies amongst developed nations. It is difficult for the families and often the children who were born. It costs the nation a lot in welfare and support of teenage parents who can't cope well. I would expect Gator, that you are for providing greater welfare benefits for teenage parents and their children. I would like to know the position of the Republican party on this issue, in that the VP nominee has a daughter who will be a teenage mother and will be either an example or an excuse by teenagers around the nation that becoming teenage parents is okay and problem free.
My stance is that people make mistakes, but we shouldn't cover a mistake by making another one. I'm not going to sit here and say that it is not difficult to raise a child at a young age. It is. As far as government assistance, not everyone should be left out to dry. At the same time, people should be working and striving to pave their own way to prosperity. With the amount of wealth in this country, we shouldn't have anyone going hungry. I looked up some hunger statistics a few months back. Just the money that we spend one food that is thrown away in a single day, we could feed the world 3 times over. Again, no one should ever have to go hungry in this country as long as they are doing what they can to keep from having to use government assistance.