McCain Plays Dirty By Choosing a Woman as His VP

Already pointed it out. Don't be obtuse, please. Or were you being serious? Heh!

Exactly. You don't debate much, but you expect everyone know to just know, because you feel you are *that* important. Yet you make the assumption that you are more pro gun that others, because you are grim. Oh to be so self-important in the mind of grim!

No, you simply claimed you are, then proceeded to blast him. Does the left side of your brain have to make an appointment to have a conservation with the right side of your brain? The only thing you proved was how self-centered and arrogant you can be towards others. And stop flip flopping on it.

That must be why you keep responding. You have no problem bashing others and proclaiming your egotistical superiority over everyone on virtually every position you take, but you can't stand it when someone calls you on it. I'm flattered that you have me on ignore and even more flattered that you continue to respond with vitriol when I question a blatant double standard. Man, it must be tough being you!

Has no bearing over the fact you believe you are more "pro gun" than he is. That's just pure egotism. There's another word for that as well. Help a brutha out grim, what's that word?

You're never at fault. You are grim. Let's not kid ourselves, ok? The problem is everyone else. Everyone else 'twists' your complex little diatribes! The world just doesn't understand you. The world cannot see how important you are!

Ah, the usual "pretend" sources. Sort of like making up pretend friends that no one knows, to back up a position! Hate to burst your bubble (might need an ak-47 to burst that one), but you are mortal, like the rest of us.

No grim, it isn't. I know you believe that just because you say so, no one else can have an opinion or a difference, because...well, you are grim! How dare anyone question grim! If only the rest of the world could see how important you are!

Sorry to disappoint you. Your opinion is wrong. It was a major difference. I wouldn't expect someone like you to be able to comprehend such. It simply highlights how uninformed you are on the subject. Not withstanding, blasting someone else for owning a gun by suggesting you are more pro gun than they are, even though you don't own one.

How self-centered! That just wreaks of "I'm better than you are, I'm better than you are!" Grow up, grim! Jeez, you probably drive a hummer to, huh? All that anger is going to backfire on you some day. The world doesn't revolve around you and how much better you believe you are than others.

It wasn't a slight change. It was a major policy difference. You were wrong. I have no expectation that someone like you would be able to accept that you were wrong. It's tough, I know. I sympathize with you.

 

need i say more?

 

Shhh...grim's taking a sneak peak at my post

Let's give him a moment of silence because, well, he's more special than the rest of us. Don't take my word for it though, just ask him and he'll tell ya!

 

Actually no it hasn't. You claim I think I am more pro gun for not having a gun, a statement I never made.

I debate more than you for starters. I do not make an 'assumption' I am about as far fringed on support for the 2nd amendment, that is far from an assumption.

Gtech do you get your rocks off on following me? Seriously do you?

I'm not flip flopping at all, I clearly stated my position on the 2nd. His stance was mostly 'I own guns' and trying to ask me questions as if I was against guns. He never came with a strong opinion on the 2nd amendment in my eyes, next failed attempt?

The double standard which you can not prove as I NEVER stated not having a gun was a reason for being more pro gun, more the 2nd amendment. A gun or not does not equate to a stance now does it?

Man it must suck to be you, such a blow hard for attention that you lie all just to get people to respond to you. Yes I could let your lies go, usually I do now a days as you are simply a pathetic piece of work in all honesty.

I do believe as I believe the thread has shown, I have a much more different view than the 2nd amendment. I believe a citizen should be able to own a tank should they wish to, far above 'i gots me a gun'

Gtech you've been shown to be a liar in this very thread. I do not think I am 'important' more lies you'd like to spew? I know you love to spew them afterall.

Ahh yes watching the news, reading papers is a 'pretend' source. Do you dispute that the items he listed are brought up by the Christian right on many occasions during debates, during political shows?

Again more lies from good old Gtech the troll.

It is not a 'major difference' during the presidential campaign people did not spout off the trivial difference, the claims were made Kerry was for the assault weapons ban while Bush was not. I would not expect you to know that though. It is a trivial difference, both stances are weak when it comes to the 2nd amendment.

I love how you lie about me claiming that I am more pro gun 'because I don't own a gun' which I never stated, but here you are using the 'but, but he's got a gun' logic. I wouldn't expect anything less, or should I say 'better' coming from you.

More lies, where am I saying I am so much better. Here I am stating that it is a trivial difference between Bush and kerry on the assault weapons ban, both did not want it lifted! That is the point, but nope here is good Old Gtech lying to make it me stating I am 'better' than everyone.

Gtech you are as I've said before and will say again PATHETIC. Do you know nothing more than lying?

It is a slight difference, BOTH were for keeping the assault weapons ban.

Most every bill has differences on how it should be enforced, slight differences even when others support it. Trivial differences, at the end of the day BOTH were for the ban!



Get a life seriously, stop the lying bullshit, I've had enough of your illogical, deceitful persona you bring to the table.

 

Something more than 'i got me guns' would help.



Where are the intelligent people of DP politics today, the guys and girls who make me feel stupid? I'd rather debate with them than trolls with no intellect.

 

Actually, you did claim you were more pro gun and further eluded to the idea you didn't have a gun. You know it, I know it, and anyone reading the thread knows it. It's egotism at it's finest.

Yes, we all know you are more {insert whatever it is here} than everyone else. You never fail to let the world know. "I, unlike you, am more {insert something with moral superiority here}..." "Unlike you, "I" am more {insert foot into mouth here}..." You are so important grim!

Whose following whom? After all, you claim to have me on ignore, but as usual, just can't help yourself! We know why, don't we?

Yeah, right, Mr. "I'm better than everyone else!" Please, boy!

It's already proven grim. It was just absolute hypocrisy. Typical, though. After all, you are better and more {insert whatever} here, than everyone else.

Yeah, yeah! So predictable. Verbally abuse others and when you get called on your hypocrisy, start in accusing everyone else of "twisting," then as a last result, start calling everyone a liar. And when that doesn't work, go running to the moderators like a coward reporting posts! How grim of you!

Ah, yes, you are so much more "pro gun" than everyone else! All we have to do is ask you, and you will tell us! It's always about YOU, isn't it grim? "It's all about me, all about I, all about me oh my me my!"

Don't call me a liar, meathead! The only thing showing in this thread is narcissism, egotism, self-centeredness, stubbornness and man that thinks he's God's gift to the world. You ain't, and I'm telling you so to your face and you have to deal with it!

More pretend sources? Sure! If grim says so, it has to be true! He is the most important person he knows, after all!

It was a major policy difference between the two of them. A real "pro gun" advocate, not one who self-idolizes himself in the mirror and with a mugshot in every post, would know it.

I don't have to lie about you. You do a better job of it than I ever could.

Where aren't you saying it? "I'm more pro gun than you are!" "And I don't even own a gun!"

Please! Everytime you get backed into a corner, it's the same thing. "But, but, but they are twisting! But, but, but they are lying!" But, but but...that's all you got, boy! Buts!

Oh, who cares what you say? LMAO! Seriously, you are only important in your own little mind. I've never cared what you said or thought.

Awww, poor wittle gwim! Can't handle the heat when his hypocrisy is shown!

"But, but, but I'm going to put you on ignore!" Awwww! Promise?

"Hey, look at me, everyone! I'm the most important person I know!" Pfft!

 

You quite ovbiously care alot, old man, since you take the time to write these wall of texts in response to him.

 

All i hear from you is i believe, i believe, well i do more than believe and i participate.

To say that is not taking it a step further is just ignorant.

 

Owning a gun is not a stance without the beliefs to back them up. Many people own guns who think guns should only be owned for hunting, they do not have a very strong support of the 2nd amendment.

 

That still does not disqualify my point of view. Thats another thought all together

i have the beliefs and the guns, therefore being a step ahead of you.

Like it or not.

 

Actually it does, owning a gun does not equate to any sense of what your stance on guns in general or the 2nd amendment is.

You could be an extremely weak supporter of the 2nd and still own a gun, you could hate the 2nd but fear for your life and own a gun, owning a gun does not equate to your beliefs............

 

Yep, all his posts are always focused on himself and about how great he is.

"I, unlike you..."

"I, however..."

"I believe...."

"I'm more ...."

He doesn't even own a gun, but thinks he's more "pro gun" than someone who does

Tried to use an analogy of "gay rights," but that failed. A non-gay person can be FOR gay rights (even if their candidate was a homophobe and trashed gays, Jews and blacks), however, I'd say the gay person was more FOR gay rights, as they have a vested interest. Same with guns.

I suspect he's "pro gun" because his failed candidate was. I've been arguing with him for years and don't recall any sort of passion in those early years. He's strangely and suddenly adopted many of the paul's positions to try and reframe a generally liberal image.

Man, what popularity can do to someone who doesn't have core values. Umm, umm, umm. Such a shame.

 

Grim i dont know how you can sit here and claim to be more pro gun than i, and you dont even own one. Lets wrap this up because its reached its level of ridiculous logic.

I believe strongly in the second amendment, I believe that a man should have the right to own a gun to protect himself, i believe so strongly that i wouldnt vote for anyone that opposed it. I also like to shoot at the range (for fun), therefore making my position on the second even stronger. Yes i realize the second is mainly for self defense purposes, but i also benefit from it in a hobby since.

Who are you to tell me, that you hold a stronger position? The second amendment may not be put in place to protect my hobby, but it does protect it the same, making it very important to me, more so than you, because it serves two purposes to me.

Digg it?

Buy a gun, than maybe there will be a debate.

 

Easily, as shown I have a stronger support for the 2nd amendment than you do. I have shown over and over how owning a gun means nothing of ones support, your support is shown through your ideas, your stances, your actions to keep the 2nd amendment in it's full force, not to weaken the stance on any level. BTW proving the anti gun nuts right while owning a gun does not help the 2nd amendment

I will rip anyone apart for taking a weak NRA stance, you simply do not get it, you are not even remotely on the level of the 2nd amendment that I am. For starters it looks pretty clear you don't know too much about it other than it allows you to have a gun. I believe NO GUN SHOULD BE BANNED, I BELIEVE MOST EVERYTHING THE ARMY HAS ABOVE AND BEYOND yet including guns and lesser arms should be allowed as that is the true intent of the 2nd amendment. I believe that a citizen of the US should be allowed to own any 'arm' for any legal purpose they choose to, this goes far beyond guns for 'defense, or target practice, or playing 'Rambo'

Totally incorrect. It holds many purposes to me, simply because I do not currently own a gun is hogwash. I support it for citizens rights to own one 'including you' which to me is the same thing as me personally owning one Yes it protects your 'hobby' and much, MUCH more which is my point. You appear to be more for the 2nd amendment for simply your own selfish purposes of your hobby, thank you again for inadvertently proving my point. You're not even on the same level of thinking as me, not even close. I do not say this as a superiority complex, nothing of the sort, you simply appear to believe in the 2nd for your own selfish means, I believe in the 2nd as I do the ENTIRE CONSTITUTION and believe in those rights if I practice them or not.

I will not vote for a person because he is 'less weak' on guns/arms I'll find a different person to support!

Have an actual stance, know a little something about what you speak, then maybe we can debate. A gun does not make you more of a man, nor does it make you more pro the 2nd amendment, far from it.

BTW to my troll do you love being shown to be the lying ass clown you are?

Here is a post from me in 05

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=344103&postcount=17

 

The fact that i support the second amendment for my own selfish reasons is exactly why it is more important to me. Because it effects me directly. This is an added stance to the constitutional stance, i also support it as a constitutional right.

So you can look at it like this, i feel the same way you do, and then some.

Again, i agree with everything you just said, plus my own selfish reasons, putting me over the top!

 

There is no 'over the top' the point from the beginning was and has always been you tried to accuse me in such a way of asking a question as I was anti gun. I have shown over and over my view points, while comparing them to yours mine in most eyes would look extreme and or 'fringed' of the 2nd amendment.

Now to say you agree and it's selfish, well whatever I'm not going to argue about that.

If you honestly believe the same stance as I do on the 2nd I commend you, most do not have the extreme view that I have, it would have been much easier had you stated that however from the beginning

 

I never said you were anti gun, granted i asked a question without know it either way, but never accused you of being such. That was you assuming i knew your stance from the beginning, if you will read the thread you will realize you never stated your stance prior to my question.

My whole point here is that you, not owning a gun, can not be more pro gun, than a man that owns one. And i still stand by that.

As far as the extreme view of the second, i totally agree in a constitutional since, but i seriously wouldn't see the need of a tank, unless we were in a state of war here on our own land, then absolutely.

 

I know I never stated it, however the question did make an assumption that I was against. I take the 2nd very seriously as you might see

Of which I respectfully disagree on and I have laid out why.

Ahh but see that's where we do differ, I believe the citizens need to be able to have what the army has, otherwise the 2nd's meaning gets watered down and the point behind it becomes extremely blurry. This is where I feel I have a stronger more fringe view, but at this point personally we've both gotten our view points out, which was part of my intent

 

Grim your a tough cookie, and after 2 infraction points and a red mark, i think we can move back on topic here.

Palin recently announced her 17 year old daughter was pregnant, kinda hurts my moral stance, as i believe its a parents responsibility to keep their children free from sexual encounters, at least until they are ready for such a responsibility. I do however realize its hard to keep a 17 year away from sexual activity, just short of locking them down.

I feel coming out with this information was the right choice, much better than the press finding out, that could have done some serious political damage.

 

Excellent post!

I'm glad to see someone at least back up their moral stance on such an issue, if I could green you for this one I would. I have been hoping someone out there who supported McCain and Palin, especially for moral issues would state something along the lines that you just did.

Definite props.