John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate

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  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #161
    Ron Paul supporters liked her. Paul never did choose a running mate.

    Palin is a good pick, for all of the reasons Obamaphiles will point out as negatives, and all of the reasons that McCain picked her.

    This is probably the first (and last) right thing McCain will do in his campaign.

    If elected, Palin will be expected to hold babies and do P&R stuff. Lieberman will be the acting vice-President if McCain is elected.

    But the selection of Biden would have neutralized a play to democrats by selecting Lieberman, plus McCain can't afford to alienate any more Republicans, his party is already half the size of the Dems. Don't let the polls fool you, Obama gets people to the polls to vote for him, McCain was the last cadaver standing in the GOP. Huge difference from telephone polling, to who actually makes a point of getting out of the house, paying a fortune in gasoline to case a ballot.
     
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  2. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #162
    'why' did they like her?

    I'm just not seeing it myself, nor can supporters of her tell me what she truly stands for.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #163
    So immigration, jobs, Iraq, etc do not concern you?
     
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  4. guerilla

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    She's pro fiscal discipline, anti-party establishment. Paul people liked her because she's female, she's smart, she's a party up and comer and she's not a DC insider.

    I think it's unfair to expect her to have a Presidential or Federal platform like Biden does, Biden is based in DC stealing from people, so he's in the thick of it. He also ran a Presidential campaign, so has the benefit of having already established positions (and national briefings) as well as media friendly coaching and plenty of facetime to hone his views.

    Give Palin a month or two before judging her. Of course, her positions are largely irrelevant, it's not like she's going to deviate from McCain's platform.

    I understand where homebiz is coming from. He hasn't figured out it is all a charade. Red team, blue team, right vs. left. Voting is the illusion of choice.
     
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  5. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #165
    I agree with that statement guerilla. It is one of the few things that McCain got correct.


    Some of the things you mention are not top on my list of concerns. To me the economy is my top concern. If something is not done, and its political business as usual, the country will be in a depression.

    Obama and McCain have not really given any solution. Ron Paul did but he is out.
     
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  6. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #166
    Just saw this one on another site. lol.

    [​IMG]
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #167
    Sadly, unlike Anna inheriting money, if something happened to McCain, we would inherit Palin.

    Here is what I don't get. McCain loses the experience issue and picks up the age issue, and for what? There are so many more qualified people he could have picked to be his VP, even just amongst conservative women. I know Condi Rice has the Bush taint on her, but she is leaps and bounds ahead of Palin in qualifications for the VP position. I am not too up on her social positions, but I do know is she can tow a party line - which is all Palin will be asked to do.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #168
    Here is a link the Pro Palin Supporters will like.

    It is obviously not a neutral post, but makes a better case than anything posted here.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #169
    That does it. Palin for President. Obama is clearly not even on McCain's VP's level. ;)

    IT DOESN'T MATTER. THE CORPORATIONS, and POWER ELITE, and FOREIGN LOBBYISTS will STILL RUN WASHINGTON whether it is RED TEAM or BLUE TEAM.

    But thanks for the link Browntwn. It's good reading. It would probably read just as well without the Obama side-by-side.
     
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  10. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #170
    Do you feel that way about how the two parties pick Supreme Court nominations? The parties seem pretty distinct in that regard. I would have a hard time believing you think they don't.
     
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  11. northpointaiki

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    #171
    There isn't yet much on Gov. Palin's positions on many things that seem pretty important to me, anyway; what there is, off the top, here are some of the things I find troubling:

    -She supports the overturn of Roe v. Wade;

    -She voted in favor of the amendment to the Alaskan Constitution, "Measure 2," outlawing same-sex marriages in Alaska. From the measure:

    -She has supported the notion of teaching creationism in public schools:

    http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html

    -She strongly advocates for the opening of ANWR, and has otherwise shown herself to be a poor steward of the environment:

    -opposes listing the polar bear as an endangered species as it limits a free hand in oil exploration,

    -supports aerial wolf hunting, her state's overwhelming opposition notwithstanding. If her apparent reason is true - she read a 60-year old book and concluded accordingly, this doesn't speak well to her desire to probe issues in depth:

    Not much to go on; time will tell on other things, but with only a matter of weeks to go, I do feel this was a bit of an end-run by McCain, based on a single phone call from 6 months ago. Particularly for the McCain ticket, the choice of VP is extremely important, as it isn't out of the realm of possibility she will have to step in under exigent circumstances and take the presidency.

    Because of this, I very much want to know where she stands on American competitiveness, the economy, foreign policy, the Iran and Iraq war, education, and others. So far, based on the admittedly exiguous list of known positions above, my gut instinct is of a person who is personally likeable, but extremely shortsighted. After 8 years of at least the latter quality, no thanks.
     
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    #172
    Sure makes me want to go out and vote for Obama :rolleyes:
     
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    #173
    I have a lot to say, but I will say little.

    It doesn't matter. No one in Washington follows the law. DC itself is fighting the second Amendment, even after the Heller ruling.

    The system has gone kaput, coo-koo. Someone needs to vote the entire lot of scoundrels out, and every day regular citizens in.

    Personally, I am more concerned about who appoints the head of the FED.
     
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    Lexiseek Banned

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    #174
    I agree with that statement guerilla. It is one of the few things that McCain got correct. [/quote]

    Obviously not. Check out the poll numbers. McCain has made up a ton of ground in recent months.

    Politicians don't control the economy. They provide a general direction but as Americans we need to have some faith in the free market system. It's been working for as long as any of us have been alive.
     
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    #175
    Taxes, regulation, monetary policy, tariffs, public debt, trade agreements, and legislation all interfere with and influence the economy.

    A true free market is free from those external forces. There hasn't been a free market economy since the 18th century.

    I'm a big free market advocate. What you see today, is not a free market.
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    Something tells me it was not a pro Obama poster who gave me it. ;)

    I don't see the fiscal discipline, keeping the money from the bridge to nowhere while scrapping the project, refusing to close the state run creamery 'firing those who suggested it' to finally sell it after wards. Yes she did axe some spending, from my reading the budget in little old Alaska 'population' is bigger than ever.

    She doesn't give me the jive as anti establishment, more anti anyone who does not bow down to her.
    Ahh but 'experience' is the issue I thought by so many, with your post here I would assume that would go largely against 'experience' from not being in the 'thick of it'
    I don't plan on voting for either McCain or Obama I'd still however like to know her positions, especially when people on here act like she's the second coming 'the real deal' yet they can't even name her positions. Shows me how fake people are and how they are willing to follow anything their party tells them, this is largely my point and I think you know where I am coming from ;)

    So 'jobs' and not being able to show a stance on that does not have anything to do with the 'economy'? I still see nothing from her on the economy in all reality, both McCain and Obama have shown much more of a stance on the Economy from what I have read.

    I'm extremely confused to say the least in this instance, supporting someone with no clue where they stand for issues 'as far as I know' their stance has not been shown yet either.

    I do in fact however see http://www.ontheissues.org/Sarah_Palin.htm
    is starting to find more. From my reading however it is such minor and trivial things in many cases they are digging as hard as they can to simply find something to fill in the spaces.

    I guess time will tell.
     
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    #177
    Every day the financial news heads are looking for direction from the central planners on how to invest. Name a bubble and I'll find the federal policies that encouraged it.

    When 30% of GDP goes through the central planners, you can't just decide to ride the wave in the other direction.
     
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    #178
    The things you find troubling is what a lot of people admire.
    I love that in America each of us can have different views and still get along.
    [​IMG]
     
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    #179
    Absolutely agree, on both paragraphs.
     
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    #180
    I've never understood this, do you realise that in almost any country people can have different views and still get along?

    Obama also said in his speech, that his story would only have been able to happen in the USA.

    Well i'm going to be frank, that is total bullshit.
     
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