John McCain has chosen Alaska Governor Sarah Palin to be his running mate

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  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #61
    She is running to be second in line for the Presidency. Since that position has many times in our history had to take over for the Presidency, they person should be qualified to be President.

    Her experience as a small town mayor is not the executive experience needed to run the most powerful nation in the world. I am not sure her gubernatorial experience is either, but citing her stint as small town mayor is hardly convincing.
     
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    Matanuska Maid Dairy Closure
    When the Alaska Creamery Board recommended closing Matanuska Maid Dairy, an unprofitable state-owned business, Palin objected, citing concern for the impact on dairy farmers and the fact that the dairy had just received $600,000 in state money. When Palin realized that the Board of Agriculture and Conservation appoints Creamery Board members, she simply replaced the entire membership of the Board of Agriculture and Conservation.[15][40] The new board, led by businesswoman Kristan Cole, reversed the decision to close the dairy.[40] The new board approved milk price increases offered by the dairy in an attempt to control fiscal losses, even though milk from Washington was already offered in Alaskan stores at lower prices.[41] In the end, the dairy was forced to close, and the state tried to sell the assets to pay off its debts but received no bids.[42][43]
     
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    Palin proposed a plan to run the pipeline through Canada, to the Lower 48 for natural gas. Palin has “a strong record of support for increasing domestic energy supplies” and said she was “a consistent economic conservative.”

    Palin has aggressively built energy infrastructure in her own state, and on Wednesday signed a contract to build a $26 billion natural gas pipeline with TransCanada Corp. The company was chosen as part of a market-driven plan, endorsed by Palin, to spur construction of the pipeline.
    Palin has also taken stands on energy that deviate from many Republicans. In 2007, she signed a windfall profits tax for oil production that has sent billions of dollars to Alaskan coffers, but which oil executives complain will stem new production in the state.
    While Republicans have eschewed a windfall profits tax on the national level, the McCain campaign appears comfortable with her policy stances on energy. In a speech introducing Palin, McCain said Palin “has shown great tenacity in tackling tough problems, especially our dangerous commitment to foreign oil.”
    On the whole, her credentials on tax issues have won her cheers from fiscal conservatives. Americans for Tax Reform president and Republican activist Grover Norquist has said Palin would make a “great choice,” and Palin first won statewide notice as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, by shepherding economic growth in the city while cutting property taxes.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008...ic-credentials-for-mccain/?mod=hpp_asia_blogs
     
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    micksss Notable Member

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    #64
    This along with the other scandal involving the firing of a state trooper seems like Bush/Cheney tactics on a smaller level. If you don't agree with the board fire them and hire people that agree with your positions.

    No Thanks :(
     
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  5. homebizseo

    homebizseo Peon

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    #65
    The Dems will not use this type of slander due to Barry obama being a heavy drug user (cocaine, pot, ) at Occidental College and as a high school student in Hawaii and his love rendezvous and drug use with Larry Sinclair.
     
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    #66
    Interesting concept considering Obama (the Presidential candidate) doesn't even that much experience. Do you hold that against him? :)
     
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    #67
    She wants to depend on Canada for Natural gas... Isn't Canada a foreign country too? :D

    Can you really depend on Canada for future energy demand? Many experts, say you cannot. and should not.

    She certainly has some experience, and she should have known by now, that Windfall Profit ax is a bad idea. IMO, Obama is wrong to propose such a tax too. But we'd still like to hear her talk. We will find out more about her very soon. A lot of obscure stuff would come out in the open...
     
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    #68
    The pipeline is running through Canada.
     
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    #69
    Why do you call this slander?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Public_Safety_Commissioner_dismissal

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin#Matanuska_Maid_Dairy_Closure

    Larry Sinclair is absolutely without a doubt a liar! Talk about slander.

    Not that it matters to most people but obama never used crack. He does not try to hide his past drug use.
     
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    #70
    So far people have a total of 2 things bad about her and both are coming from wikipedia. Neither are major problems either and one of them is under investigation and has so far not shown any wrong doing. Interesting
     
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    @ micksss The dems are not going to bring up those two points.
     
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    #72
    Ahhh, thank you Gator. I have been back and forth about her experience and got so heated I was seeing red and couldn't properly formulate a response. Very well put.

    This is exactly what I was thinking. People are laughing at her time as Mayor saying it is not experience, but her small time still = more time than Obama has in an executive position.

    So you can't exactly laugh at her experience no matter how small it is because it is still way more than Obama has....
     
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    #73
    This was a brilliant choice.

    1. Numerous polls have indicated that 20% to 28% of Shrillary's female supporters were not going to vote for Obama and were instead planning to vote for McCain. This will move even more women into McCain's camp.
    2. I watched Palin speak this morning. She is VERY good and appears to be very competent.
    3. Any Governor has far more management experience than a Senator. Governor's are responsible for actually managing budgets and people. That is why Governors tend to get much more done when they take office. They run rings around the Senators when it comes to accomplishing things.
    4. This lady has a lot of significant accomplishments under her belt. What are BO's significant accomplishments? Even his supporters cannot name one.
    5. As Jim pointed out, she is wildly popular in Alaska and she is a maverick who has done quite a bit to re-organize things in her state. She is not part of the normal political Establishment.

    The double standards never cease to amaze me. It was OK for Bill Clinton to fire all but one of the federal prosecutors when he took office, but when Bush fires a small number who were not getting the job done as directed, he is crucified for it. Is was OK for Bill Clinton to fire several state troopers who reported his bimbo eruptions (several of which were later killed under mysterious Vince Foster-like conditions), but if a conservative governor fires a board who is opposing her, there must be something wicked going on.

    There are certain people who work for presidents and governors who can be appointed and fired the same as any corporate employee. The leader is ultimately responsible for making sure that things get done. A good governor is a good leader. Leaders do not get things done if they have to waste time with people that they can easily remove. Get used to it.
     
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    #74
    The whole "scandal" started when the state trooper (Palin's brother in law) threatened to shoot their father if he got Palin's sister a lawyer. This was investigated, and proven that the trooper did make those remarks. I would go out of my way to get someone fired too if they threatened to shoot my father.
     
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    #75
    Obama's lack of experience was the main factor concerning me about him. That being said, his experience as both a state and US senator, to me, is far more substantial that her small town mayoral experience and her 18 months as Governor.
     
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    #76
    Uh, dude, you were wondering why I was having trouble with your thread titles, and I told you in all honesty, it's because of the months of smears...can you re-read your post, then ask again?

    "Heavy drug user." Not sure the extent to which he used, but I do know he fully disclosed that he smoked pot, drank, and used cocaine:

    Far cry from the Prez's sidestepping of direct answers on his addiction history, or Bill Clinton's "didn't inhale" tap dancing. Not sure where you're getting the crack thing - since it was invented during the '80's, and the period of time when Obama experimented preceded crack's invention. Unless,

    You're relying on this wonder's ironclad testimony, to include Obama's supposed homosexuality?

    You'll find some company here, Homebiz. As I told you, and as you indicated you weren't aware of this history on DP, at least one member has claimed Obama is an Islamic terrorist plant; the member also claims knowledge of the homosexual triangle/murder conspiracy involving Obama.

    I hope this clears up why I take issue with headlines like "Obama speaks so well, he could be used by suicide bombers."

    I'd have hoped for better. Oh, and by the way, Palin was apparently a pot smoker until it became illegal. ;)
     
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    #77
    You should read the duties of a Senator, and then compare that to a Governor's duties. There is no comparison when it comes to the experience of leading. If this was flipped around, I would say the same thing.
     
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    another republican that has an excuse to bend the law.
    another oil company connection
    bush 3 nothing more nothing less
     
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    I would tend to agree. However, I do not see being governor of such a small state, population wise, as giving her the breadth of experience I would want to see. The problems faced by Alaskans are not the same as those faced in many cities in the lower 48 which, each alone, have far greater populations that the entire state. Simply, it is not the title of the job, but the experience one gains in that job. As I have said many times, I think she is a great governor, I just do not see those 18 moths as having prepared her for the Presidency. I also think Obama's experience is lacking. But I think he is more capable than she of being President. That is just my opinion, others are welcome to their opinion.

    I look forward to the debates and hearing more about her.
     
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    #80
    "Obama speaks so well, he could be used by suicide bombers."

    @northpointaiki
    I was trying to say that the dems are not going to smear Palin on the state trooper issue and not even on the drug issue because of their skeletons. They will however attack her on drilling and I bet Obama will flip again.
     
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