Why does usa keep interfering in everything.

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by bkinfomail, Aug 27, 2008.

  1. N_F_S

    N_F_S Active Member

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    #41
    no one compared the 2 and said that some country is more powerful than the other, thats why I said it was a mistake to attack south ossetia.

    My point was: Georgia planned this attack with the help from US/Israel. And you still deny it.

    Indeed, since the break up of USSR in 1990. However, for 18 years there weren't wars (except with Abkhazia in 1994), and now what do we see? American weapons flooded Georgia. Do you think Georgia would attack if they did not have the US backing? A big NO.

    Thats right in a fight on the street, but not in a war where you lil broth may DIE. That clearly shows that you dont care about him.

    I dont think its that much serious, wait till US elections end, that was the main point of this conflict: McCain = Bush.
     
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  2. homebizseo

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    Why does Mcain equal Bush? Obama is more in line with G W Bush
     
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  3. northpointaiki

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    #43
    Reasoning?
     
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  4. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    N_F_S: Let me restate my perspective. In the war that arose between Russia and Georgia, Russia attacked Georgian lands. It brought in significant troops. It overwhelmed the Georgian military. People died. There was much destruction.

    In that context, it makes me more sensitive to the concept of those from uninvolved nations. A big strong nation invaded a smaller weaker nation. If anything it makes me sensitive to those who attack the US for attacking Iraq, only in so far as it relates to this simple concept; a big strong nation attacked a smaller weaker nation. I brought this up because it fit within the concept of the OP....that person's anguish with the US being involved in incidents around the world.

    How responsible are the US and Israel. I don't argue that they provided weapons and military aid to Georgia. Does that make them responsible for the conflict between Georgia and Russia. I don't see any evidence.

    Who started this conflict. My readings from various media suggest its a bit muddled though it appears that Georgia took the first step against one of the break away provinces. I also read in one source that I can't discount, that US advisors suggested .....Don't do that. In fact they suggested to do so would be to walk into a trap, whereby Russia would respond on behalf of the break away province.

    So who is reponsible. I don't know. I don't buy into blaming the US or Israel.



    By bringing up the analogy of two kids I was trying to be both light, slightly humerous, and to point out an analogy of sorts. It obviously didn't take with you.

    The concept of guiding, leading or goading a brother to enter a war is very foreign and repugnant to me. I simply wouldn't do that or get anywhere near it.



    I'll step back and out of discussion about who STARTED the war between Russia and Georgia. I don't know enough about the facts. I'll step out of arguments about the grievances between the nations. I don't know enough.

    You lost me though on that last sentence. What does a conflict between Russia and Georgia have to do with the US elections? And what do you mean specifically when you say that is the main point of the conflict?

    That statement is very curious to me.
     
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  5. homebizseo

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    #45
    Can you really see a difference between the three?

    Bush, McCain and Obama
     
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  6. northpointaiki

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    #46
    Yes, quite obviously so to me, actually, across a host of criteria. If you'd like to go with voting record, go to Vote Smart, for starters. I'm pissed at Obama for his giftwrap on FSA, but in my mind, a reality check is required to say Obama, McCain, and Bush are the same creature.
     
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  7. PHPGator

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    #47
    I would agree with northpointaiki, Bush is considered a far right wing. Obama is considered to be a far left wing. McCain is considered to be one of the more liberal Republicans. They are quite different although I would say that McCain is closer to Bush than Obama is to either of the two.
     
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    #48
    Obama isn't far left, he is left but you would be naive to say he is far left IMO
     
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  9. MattUK

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    #49
    History tells us that the last times in modern history that the world hegemon refrained from interfering in world affairs WWI and WWII were the outcomes.
     
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    #50
    WWII only happened because of WWI. And during WWI, America was not the world hegemon, Britain was, and she was involved.

    I recommend you read Human Smoke and Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War for a broader, more accurate historical perspective.
     
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  11. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #51
    Some people live in Bizzaro world, where up is down and open is closed.
     
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  12. N_F_S

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    I will not read further, lets make it straight: So Russia attacked or Russia defended the South Ossetia? What do you think? Im not talking about Georgia now, Im talking about South Ossetia as:

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    b) Demographics of South Ossetia:
    So what would you do if Cuba attacked Jamaica on a full scale, knowing that Cuba has much more troops and weaponry? Would you sit and see how they ruin it? I dont think so.

    You can call it that Russia attacked Georgia, I call it that Russia defended South Ossetia. If Russia really attacked Georgia as IT IS, Tbilisi would have been hit long time ago.

    Russia did indeed advanced later on to the ACTUAL Georgia (Gori, Poti, etc.) and demilitarised their military bases, so they couldnt attack again. Its obvious step in any conflict, they attacked - they pay the price. Although, it wasnt a full adequate answer. (if you compare the casualties of ossetian civilians vs georgian civilians). Thats another proof, that Russia did not have plans to attack Georgia, only its military segment.

    Well, if McCain agreed in 90% with Bush actions, how is he different from him? 10% ? Thats what Obama said :) I liked his speech, btw.
     
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    #54
    Because we can.
     
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  15. N_F_S

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    #55
    Thats the best adequate answer I've heard. Agreed.
     
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    #56
    hey an honest answer from a USA guy how about that?...
     
    atvking, Sep 2, 2008 IP