Obama's VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy

No, if you read the wiki page, you would know that the information does not come from there. Again you avoid talking about the subject itself.

I find it very astonishing that you do not want to comment upon the healthcare, or the Federal money system. FIAT money is probably the biggest meltdown to global economy in the entire history. I want to make a guess, not to insult you, but you are a right wing person are you not? Because again you try to personally attack a person while infact I am still waiting on even one comment about Austrian economics compared to Bernanke's fed.

"you have yet show you have a proper understanding " is a statement made by a boss of someone, not in a discussion. I am sure that everyone that is reading this topic agrees to the fact that you are the one avoiding to make comments on very critical facts. In fact you call some parts of history a conspiracy theory, you have yet to show that you know more than Fox news tells you. Because you have not stated any fact in the entire topic so far. You have avoided nearly every fact I have brought in front of you, and continue on about some word in a dictionary wich you believe has a different meaning. You do not listen to the entire story told. If you enter a discussion brother, be open to learn, become I am here to learn from others too. If you do not want to acknowledge simple facts shown to you, it is very hard to talk with eachother. Remember I am from Amsterdam, my English is not always that good, thats why I prefer to use descriptions rather than simple words.

 

You are wrong on this, as with many of the things you claim are facts. It is you who doesn't get it and are avoiding basic truths.

 

Can you please give an example? Or at least build your opinion with facts?

It is almost scary, do you not want to think? I think it is a bit rude of you to comment on a story of at least 1000 words, just with one sentence. At least try to use your brains and keyboard.

No Fox kid beats guerillia media warfare. Hardcore facts cannot be ignored.


Ontopic: Pulling back the topic to the subject the TS wanted:

Obama's VP Candidate Is Pro-RIAA, Anti-Privacy
So, if you want the RIAA to collect more power, if you want less privacy, vote Obama?

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/V...iPrivacy-97192

 

Jacob, I don't want to jump into this discussion, but I noticed you are an Austrian. Nice to meet you. It's always great to meet someone who is knowledgeable about fiat currency and central banking.

Unfortunately, this is a difficult message to promote here.

 

I am a big fan of Austrian economics, and am into silver trading myself. I know it is a hard message to promote. But we must always try.

Bis vincit, qui se vincit in victoria

 

Yup!

Tu Ne Cede Malis Sed Contra Audentior Ito

 

I not sure how I could be more clear. You said that you think everyone agrees with you. I certainly do not agree that north is avoiding anything. He is probably patient to a fault in trying to understand what others are saying and explaining things to you.

He has already explained what is wrong with the rest of your posts. I was only trying to disabuse you of the false notion that casual readers agreed with you and not him.

I hope you understand now.

p.s. You can save yourself some time and cease sending me insults via PM. Very classy though.

 

I think you have allready seen the opposite. I do not think there is anymore to explain. I was pretty clear about the FIAT currencies, the Healthcare systems and the monetary system. I think everyone that has really read into the subject would know that I did not express any personal opinion, but I just posted the way the system works. I would recommend you to read books from well known economists like Milton Friedman or Alan Greenspan.

Even the "great" American Alan Greenspan, one of the biggest promoters in the past of "spending more than you have", has written in one of his books that the only solution to the real monetary problem would be to actually go back to the gold standard. This would mean attaching the currency again to a value of gold. The dollar currency currently does not have any value, it is weird that many Americans do not know this, but it is certainly a fact that also many Americans DO know about this.

Milton Friedman is a Libertarian economist, and can probably be seen as one of the most influencial people in the American economy.

I will recommend to you the following literature to read, if you would be interested in reading more about how the global economy actually works:

Greenspan's Bubbles: The Age of Ignorance at the Federal Reserve
by William Fleckenstein and Fred Sheehan

Monetary History of the United States, 1867-1960
by Milton Friedman and Anna Jacobson Schwartz

Why Government Is the Problem (Essays in Public Policy)
by Milton Friedman

The Age of Turbulence
by Alan Greenspan

The New Paradigm for Financial Markets: The Credit Crisis of 2008 and What It Means
by George Soros

-- Keynes removed by request --

The Complete Idiot's Guide to Global Economics (Complete Idiot's Guide to)
by Craig Hovey and Gregory Rehmke

But if you are not much of a reader, wich ofcourse is possible, let me recommend you an old television series:

Free To Choose: The Complete Television Series (DVD)

Please let me add to this that you can continue trying to debunk economists wich have actually won nobel prices, but you can also try to actually learn something. A discussion is meant to do that.

 

I am well aware of those texts. My undergraduate degree is in economics.

 

Okay, nice that you are aware of them. It would be nice if you would start to read them now.

Thank you.

 

Thanks, Browntown. It may not come across, but I sincerely hope to avoid some of the maelstroms that have marked the recent past on this board; it was my intent to clarify a fairly important notion when it comes to analyzing the development of most modern industrial political economies, namely, the corporatism that I have tried to show Profit has misused throughout this exchange. I had further hoped by providing some specifics regarding his country's history - beginning as far back as the last years of the 19th century - it might provide some useful food for thought, but it appears I failed.

Profit, to be clear, I am decidedly not a "right-wing" person; I am not easily pegged to a particular ideology, actually, as I find the world to be a helluva lot more complex than the siren's call of dogma would have us believe.

Basically, having spent most of my academic life researching political economic development, regime change, coalition building and nationhood among the western industrial democracies (with minor side-forays into a few key Middle Eastern states, as well as "proto-nationalism" in certain European kingdoms, such as that of Alfred the Great), the notion you raised, but in my opinion improperly applied, were, and are, very near to the center of at least one prong of my continuing interests (among many other interests, actually).

 

Woah woah woah. Keynes and Friedman?

I thought you were an Austrian?

Friedman was a monetarist, not an Austrian. He's Chicago School, not Vienna School.

Anything by Rothbard would be a start.

The Ethics of Liberty


What Has Government Done to Our Money?

Keynes, geez man. He was refuted by Hayek at least once, if not twice. His theory of inflation and employment was totally laid bare in the 70s.

 

Do you want to keep trying to insult me and other Americans? Is that how you think you make a persuasive argument. You have the gall to complain about Americans making personal insults and not debating issues when that is precisely what you have done repeatedly. Give me a break. You command no respect. You deserve no respect.

p.s. I love the line about Iran having more political parties. As though though having more choices somehow equates to better choices. Your hatred of America is coloring your ability to use logic.

 

Just when it looked like you had a new friend. He was hitting all the right marks, until he gave me a reading list.

 

I will not argue about the literature mate, as I said I allready explained how I think about the situation. The literature I gave is nearly based on learning what economists think about this.

We both know I could even have quoted Ron Paul, wich threw it in their face, but they would still not read a thing or try to understand.

 

You are really choosing the easy way out. Why don't you comment on the stories I wrote?

I have allready expressed my opinions and the way things work, why don't you try to argue with basic facts. Then to try the easy things. You have so far only used personal insults since the start. You know yourself you do not have a CLUE of the subject that is talked about in this topic, and I think you have proven this the entire topic long allready. Please try commenting on the facts now!

 

It's only an insult to Americans if this isn't true, and only a fact, if it is true.

No one has a hatred of normal Americans, we really feel very sorry for them, but we have the right to have an hatred to their current structure of command and to the way their economy currently works.
The most important thing is that in a "free" economy like that, the basic citizen does not even know how to participate because he or she does not know how the system actually works.

 

To return succinctly to what triggered my involvement here:

1. Please define corporatism, by your understanding.
2. Please define fascism, by your understanding.
3. Did your country develop as a corporatist political economy? Is it so today?

This makes no sense, Profit. To paraphrase, you have called all Americans little more than ignorant morons. By your logic above, if "we admit the truth of it, your comment was an insult, and if we deny the truth of your statement, then it was not an insult."

Logically, it should be: "Americans are ignorant morons. It's only an insult to Americans if this isn't true, and only a fact, if it is true."

 

1: The organization of a society into industrial and professional corporations serving as organs of political representation and exercising control over persons and activities within their jurisdiction.

(As defined by merriam-webster.com)

2: A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism.

(Please try to compare these different attributes to mr George Bush, and see how much could be appointed to him)

3: Yes and we regret it. Most of our basic utilities (Healthcare, electricity, the public transportation, the postal service) are all in private hands now.

 

I think we need to open a new topic to talk about economics. I think it is also interesting to talk about privacy laws, and that is what this topic is about. Lets continue with that.