Iran Or Isreal? Who Will Be The Victory?

But my friend, we did not expell people from their homes at gunpoint, nor did we introduce nuclear weapons or terrorism to the region. The zionists did.

So a state that, has literaly been built on terrorism, does not deserve to exist, why should it? If Al Qaeda came to America, expelled people from their homes, knocked down their houses, take their dignity and renamed it the United States of Al Qaeda land, does that make them a legitamate state if they get recognized by the UN? Of course no.

 

Yeah, I just thought I'd cut through all the crap and ask it straight out and see if he would answer it directly.

 

More intellectual dishonesty from you. It is a fact that Israel does not represent Jews, so your whole argument and claims are laid to waste.

 

What argument or claims have I made? I just asked a question.

 

In your post it seemed like you were agreeing with lexiseek by saying cutting through the crap? There is no crap here, all that has been mentioned is facts.

 

And that is not at all a complete and different situation.

 

Cut to the chase, then. I just meant I wanted to ask the question that I thought would get to the heart of the matter. But I did think I already knew the answer to the question, as lexiseek suggested.

 

So you think we want a Jew free world by ending the existance of an illegal state that does not even represent Jews? Makes sense........

 

No, you want an Israel free world, which is totally unrealistic and if people like you keep insisting on it, there will never be peace there. It's not always a matter of what you think is right, and doing what you need to do to make things right as you see them, sometimes compromise is the only way. There is no way in hell that an entire nation is just going to pack up and leave. Insisting that Israel just dissolve and the people leave is equivalent to a declaration of perpetual war.

 

There is no way in hell an entire nation is going to pack up and leave, you are indeed right, the Palestinians will not pack up and leave after the Israelis kick them out, they will keep on resisting untill they can return to their land.

 

In other words after the state of Israel doesn't exist anymore. This is a good example of the unreasonableness that has kept war and unrest going in that part of the world. Israel is an internationally recognized state. It is not going away. No matter whether or not people like you think it is illegal.

 

What is more unreasonable, is to try and get the Palestinians to recognize a terrorist force that mass migrated to their land and expelled them from gunpoint and killed many of them. Israel introduced terrorism to the region and now they can remove it, of course i do not expect them to leave, because they wont, but they will not sustain as they rely on force and agression to survive and expand their borders.

 

What was the name of the country in which the palestinians owned before israel was created?

 

It dosen't matter how many countries or empires was there.

The point is, there was a nation of people living there, peacefully in a community with homes etc, untill the Zionists came, killed alot of them, expelled them and started terrorizing them.

The state of Israel is the biggest fraud in the history of mankind.

 

Wasnt the Ottoman empire an agressor in the largest war mankind has ever seen?

 

Israel certainly isn't innocent in the conflict. They should stop "expanding their borders" and the U.S. probably should urge them to stop it. We shouldn't support Israel on everything as much as we do. But to make the termination of the state of Israel the sole condition in terms for peace is unrealistic, and will only perpetuate war and unrest.

The last President to take a stand against Israel expanding more into Palestinian territories was Bush Sr.

If the Palestinians and their supporters won't recognize Israel's right to exist, and Israel won't try to be a good neighbor by backing off on its settlements, and the U.S. doesn't strongly urge both sides to do those things, which includes actions like cutting off funding, etc, then I don't think peace will ever happen.

 

I apprichiate your non hostile approach to an argument, it is a nice change.

I honestly think there can not be peace while the Zionist regieme exists, because the zionist ideology is racist and encourages terrorism.

This is not to say in Palestine, they can not live side by side with Jews, of course they can, Muslims and Jews been living peacefully together for centuries, it is just the Zionist ideology that some radicals have brought into the region that has started conflict.

 

for sure it won't be of much effort to study the history of the so-called Israel since before its establishment till these days, to know, that a world without Israel is a much better world,

and for sure too, there won't be peace as long as Israel exist, this is not because the others do not want peace, nah, their history shows they were able to live in peace with Jews, the Jews themselves admit it, the problem is in Israel does not want peace,

they can't expel people from their historical lands and properties with peace, they can't expand their borders with peace, and they can't transfer (ethnic cleansing) with peace, they can't empty lands to build settlements with peace, and of course, they can't build settlements and keep them built on else lands with peace, despite that they wish to do all this with peace (without being fought back)

peace, means implementing UN resolutions, they do not want peace, because it will mean giving the right of return to the people whom they expelled, it will mean stop stealing natural sources, it will mean stop expanding and have borders, it will mean stop building and expanding settlements, it will mean removing illegal settlements, so, what can peace bring them? since their ideology, and their establishment, was built on terrorism, massacres, killing, wars, destruction? not peace, you can't have peace as a murder, you can't have peace, when you do not give peace.

and of course, they do not want to appear to the world with their real image, as peace haters, they want to redefine the meaning of the word peace, to make it more close to accept the current situation, because, its hard to go back, or to mean, accept injustice, so no more injustice would happen to you, or to mean, stop hating us even if we (they) give you all the reasons to hate us, and continue giving them, or to mean anything, else than true meaning of peace.

somebody asked, how can there be peace? take this hint, implement the 60+ UN resolutions, that have not been implemented, as a first step, and stop chanting we want peace, we want them to stop expanding, we want them to stop building settlements, we want them to stop mongering and provoking wars, bluh bluh, where is honesty here, when you do nothing about it, specially when the side who is talking, launched wars for much lesser reasons in similar cases, and did wonders to implement UN resolutions then.

 

I stopped reading here.

 

But you have no problem with Hamas and their ideology? Give me a break. You can't bitch about "zionism" in one breath and be silent about Hamas, Hezbollah, etc., and think your views have any merit.

This cracks me up. The UN recognizes the State of Israel - but you say that is worthless and it is an illegal state. And yet you bitch that you want Israel to abide by a bunch of non-binding resolutions of the UN? That is a wee bit hypocritical ehh? You only give credence to the UN when they are against Israel.