Why do you have to bring this up again....this has been discussed on here many times before and it really doesn't benefit anybody here going over it again. For the record I'm in total agreement with you though
The biggest reason Water for Gas to likely be a scam has to do with the second law of Thermodynamics which states: The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient. The energy used to break water down into HHO has to come from somwhere and that somewhere is the gasoline. So, if it takes N Units of Energy to break water down into HHO, you will likely get something like 0.75N (or worse) units back when you burn the HHO. The only possible "gain" I could see is that possibly the energy wasted while idling may be converted to HHO, but again, that seems highly unlikely.
There is a lot of real legit proof that it works from people who have implemented. However the publishers eggagerate, the problem is: The system is not easy to make, I doubt a mechanical novice could do it. Most people give up when they see the book because of the mechanical details, and they don't even bother to try to do it. Also, you don't save as much as the claim. So it all depends what you see a scam.
Yes. thats the theoreticial explanation of the scam. But it is believe that by combining H, gas and O together in a single mixture, you will get a much more efficient explosion than by buring gas and H-O separately. So in fact, its not just about the HHO but its about the 2 combined.
I was a chemical engineering major for three years before converting to Comp-Sci ... This is the VERY reaction used to demonstrate the second law of thermodynamics. My thermo prof was on a patent review board in the 1970s when the "oil crunch" hit and the number of people applying for patents on that same fiction was huge. Not that they didn't believe it. One guy threated him physically. But it didn't work in the '70s and it's not going to work now. It's an easy theory to prove or dis-prove in a lab. The chemical reaction you are describing is H + H + O = H2O, possibly the most studied exothermic reaction in history. Your explanation is chemical non-sense. (Even if I've forgotten 99% of what I learned in ChemE school, THAT is so basic and simple)
Don't start this again. If it would be a scam, it wouldn't be on top and would have died long time ago. People are stupid, but majority can ask for refund if something's wrong.
Ahhhhhhh........."Pspblender.com The Internet's Largest PSP Game Download Site!"..........gravity of 178......."view our database"........reality is that everyone here knows this is just a scammy torrent site, download free torrent software and visit torrents and yet it's one of the top products around, like the water4gas products I would call this a scam
Look, as long as customers are satisfied and they get what they want, they don't consider the product as a scam. Of course, from our marketers point of view, everything is different.
I had to rep you for that. The real question is: if a customer was scammed but doesn't know he was scammed, Was he really scammed? Tadadahhhhhhhh....
But there's actually more proof that those products DON'T work than there is that they do work (water4gas products strictly speaking) so how can the customer get what they want when what they are promised (water4gas) doesn't even exisit? Here I am asking this subject was brought up again and I'm busy commenting on it all the bloody time........damn I gotta get a life...........or do some work........or both
Its actually been proven to work at some point...you can save like 10-15% on gas, nowhere near the 60% predicted by the sales page. But at what cost? Your battery is going to deplete after 2 weeks, to save 15% gas. worth it? i don't think so. However stupid customers will take much longer than 2 weeks to realise that they've been crooked and by the time they fix their car then come and complain, they'll no longer be elligible for a refund.
I don't think they're being "scammed" they're purchasing the knowledge on how to download games, and the knowledge is given in easy to follow steps, even though it's torrents.
Yes of course....but the sales page is disguised and it leads the customer to believe the site is a database where he can just search and have the download pop-up. The site doesn't say "You are buying a 2-pages-guide on how to download free softwares and learn about links to free torrents!), it is all made to trick the customer into believing its gonna be a professional direct-download database site.... And THAT, in itself, is a scam.
The way "logic" works is that you have to prove something to be true. It sort of fits in with the innocent until proven guilty ideal. If you need an example similar to what you're saying. "Prove to me there aren't Britney Spears rat like creatures living on the dark side of Pluto." I can't prove there aren't any. It's impossible to prove the non-existence of the non-existent. Right? What you should do is pull out the physics and chemistry books and show us how it works. Like mentioned above, the term "thermodynamics". The rules of thermodynamics have been held up for so long. Einstein said that if the rules of thermodynamics were broken that the Universe would be destroyed. Now, I'm expected to believe that some guy on the internet selling an ebook, broke the laws of thermodynamics and hasn't even won the Noble Prize. It's not like the science community just woke up last year and said "holy cow, there's hydrogen in water". This has been studied into the ground. I'll tell you what water4gas is, it's clever marketing. It's no different than other piece of crap products out there that offer no value, like "hip hop abs".
I dont think really people care. People type in keywords like "how to increase fuel economy" and they land on one of these fancy review sites that gives them 3 products that may help them get better gas mileage by using something that have in their homes already..water...bam ..the reader is captivated by these promsing findings...they are directed to a more sophisticated webpage that plays on their fears about rising gas prices and that mushy stuff....they are shown a video of the process already operating in vehicles....guess what.....they gonna fork out their credit and buy it.....after the product is downloaded and they see it seems possible..they may feel guilty they may not be able to excecute the tasks described in the conversion manuals and they gonna give up....they may not refund because of that guilt that they have not tested the product itself.... I dont think it is a scam at all.... People are just gullible at certain times and during cycles of their lives....
Of coursae it is not a scam. You go and check out the sort of reviews you can find on the web for any of the main products, and you will see that these products definitley work. If these products did not deliver 100% as promised, why would so many of thier users be providing all these rave reviews? hey?
Load of bull unless of course these customers have some how managed to break the laws of thermodynamics as described above and if that were the case they would be buying Porsche's with their pocket change instead of worrying about saving a couple of dollars on gas. Do you not perhaps think that those reviews were left by affiliates promoting those products?? Truly if your that gullible can I add you to my "run your car fresh air" mailing list that I'm currently building.......