alquaida bombs...you bomb much more...alquaida shoots you shoot much more...it does not matter who signs up for what the only relevant point is that they both bomb/kill...now you did not answer my question did you you just stated something completely irrelevant... whats with these assumptions? when did i say i was brave? im just stating your military are cowards...50 to 1? AHAHAHAHAH 50 of your bombs to one force drafted civilian would be more appropriate...or 1 heavily armed storm trooper on 50 civilians LOL... head in the sand...you will find some brit or isreli to support i dont doubt...but other than that LOL... WHAT THE HELL does sign ups have to do with my very very simple question? its super simple it has NOTHING TO DO WITH REASONS FOR SIGNING UP: if the US hired thug is not to blame because he is a tool is the alquaida "soldier" also not to blame because he is also a tool? (keep in mind that nowhere do i ask why alquaida or the thug signs up its COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT the ONLY thing that matters is you both OFF civilians in great numbers= FACT) but you support your troops i get it ...well i dont support bin laden but i suppor alquadia until you explain why i should not adopt your model in this case (that is exactly the same)... cant you answer my simple question?
dont expect any honesty about vietnam LOL...its like the communist sun was suffocating the agricultural land of vietnam ...now 1,000,000 dead vietnameese later the crops grow 100x as fast and tall as buildings and ALL thanks to the USA and democracy...the end... oh and no americans are to blame it was all somebody elses fault...the end...
N_F_S: can you describe the critical issues wherein Europe needs Russia and vice versa. I understand that Russia is a major energy supplier to Western Europe. What other issues are critical?
Among oil and gas, Russia possesses rich reserves of iron ore, manganese, chromium, nickel, platinum, titanium, copper, tin, lead, tungsten, diamonds, phosphates, and gold, and the forests of Siberia contain an estimated one-fifth of the world's timber, mainly conifers. http://countrystudies.us/russia/59.htm This is why nobody wants war with Russia, it is in a much stronger position than the Soviet days, it can cut off Europe completley from all these resources and we will be in a huge crisis, it is like cutting our artery.
atvking, you're looking pathetic America takes care of it's soldiers and you're hating on that. Hater. HATER I lol'd when I saw you say that our soldiers join the military because they're poor, troubled, want the money etc etc. Have you ever met an American soldier? How many of these fella's do you know personally? How is it that you know so much about their backgrounds? How do you know the reason these men and women join? Do answer that for me. It seems that you know the entire American military very personally, to be able to know such things.
its common for americans to brand people who complain about their murder campaigns as fools/pathetic/haters...i speak out against war and destruction and hate but i get branded the hater when its your army that bombs me not the other way around...very amusing to say the least... its your army and government that hate the world and bomb it more than all terrorists...if you love this dont expect your victims to share your opinion...we hate it... well if they join just to go and kill people and not for the money then its very sad what your country has become...then its like sport/hunting to you right? kill the 3rd world guy in his own country and pretend you had a reason...did you run out of native americans? hunting license too expensive? i know many american soldiers i was one of the few guys who speaks fluent english...some are normal people and some are not...90% dont give a shit about what they did its all high fives all day long to them how is it the american army/government/people know so much about the places they bomb? oh right they dont they just take their masters word...how do you know the reasons for your enemys fight? right you dont you just take your masters word for it...you guys act like you know every person in every country you attack when you take the right to shit on their lives?? we may not know everybody in your army but we know your action/bombs... self-glorified terrorists nothing more nothing less...our lives mean nothing to you...all you care about is your fragile fragile pride...if anybody bad mouths the death and destruction he is a hater and a terrorist LOL
I can not answer a question that is not based in reality and makes absolutely no sense. You're comparing apples to oranges, those in Al Queda join up knowing full well they are joining a terrorist organization to attack the United Stated via terrorist attacks in almost all cases, that is what they want to do. US soldiers join up out of a sense of duty to protect their nation, they get sent to areas more often than not that they do not agree with. It's totally different, and how anyone can try to make such an insane comparison is beyond me. For someone to continue to call the US military 'cowards' he must believe he is more brave than the US military themselves, it's not making assumptions when it's pretty much coming out with the rest of the shit from your mouth. You never heard of the US special forces who go deep under cover in heavily out numbered situations have you? Your hate shines through and unless you actually start debating with facts and some common sense I am done with your pathetic ass attempts. There are individuals in ALL countries, even those countries that primarily hate the US who support what the US soldiers do. Do you have any sense of reality at all? It has everything to do with it, your question is not 'simple' it's fucking idiotic. It makes absolutely no sense as 1 is signing up knowing damn well what they are going to be doing, the other is signing up to protect their nation and sometimes gets sent where they do not even agree with. Fact. The US soldiers are not 'thugs' Fact US soldiers do NOT target civilians. Fact it does matter 'why' they sign up. Fact. your questions is so illogical it's borderline delusional. Bin Laden's soul purpose is to destroy the US and like minded countries, to drive them out of their lands, to attack civilians on PURPOSE. Totally different than the US's agenda, if you like the agenda or not. It is not 'exactly the same' if you think it is you have your head so far stuck up your own ass there is no chance for you ever.
Well, this certainly is debtable. Hiroshima and Nagasaki come to mind. And the US has a history of sponsoring and supporting terrorists, this makes them no better than Al Qaeda IMO.
Oh yes WW II surely makes modern day 'debatable' All countries in some way or another support what someone considers a 'terrorist', one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Again what the country does is totally different than the soldier, which is the point behind this discussion in the first place.
So what point are you trying to make? Dosen't the soldier have a chocie to take orders from the country? Take a look at this http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1219218613527&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull
Legally he/she doesn't in almost all cases. What point 'if any' might I ask are you trying to make? BTW what does the story you linked to have anything to do with US soldiers refusing orders?
A while back I made some comments about GRIM to the affect that I felt he let attacks on US Troops go unanswered and my perception of that has been one of several long standing issues I've taken exception with GRIM on. I was wrong. After reading his comments and duly putting ATVKING in his proper place, I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge that my perception was wrong of him. Reading his posts in this thread, I was clearly wrong and couldn't help but ask myself why the hell have I been taking issue with him? Sure, we disagree on a lot of things, but I disagree with a lot of people here. For me, it's the very important issues, such as defending our honorable troops from the select few vile islamists here spreading their brand of hatred. GRIM took them to task. I can't think of anything more honorable. As such, I'm making a public apology to GRIM for my previous comments. We may diagree in the future, but I'll never suggest he doesn't support our troops again. Well done, GRIM. I tip my hat to you.
So basically.. You're saying that no matter what reason an American joins the military, it is a very wrong and fucked up reason. Have you fell down and hit your head? "they only join for the money" then you say "well if it's not for the money, then they only join to kill innocent people" Why can't you just say that they join to serve their country? Most of them don't even agree with the iraq war. But America is OUR home. If you're in the military and are ordered to go somewhere, then that's where you go, shithead. And stop answering my questions with questions.
He's all over the place, you can see it's nothing more than a hate for the US and it's military. I understand why a citizen of another country might not like our government, hell many of our own citizens don't, to not separate it though and to mix the soldiers into the wrong doing that may occur of our government is simply wrong. I spoke to the guy I work out with today on this subject, he served himself, his brother in law and most of his family is still currently serving, some of them are in Iraq right now. Even he says that they join up to serve their country, not to go kill people, definitely not for the money, but to SERVE THEIR COUNTRY. Sure there are a few soldiers who are bad apples who may join to bomb/kill, you however can not let a few bad apples dishonor the rest of the brave men and women in uniform who are doing nothing more than what they feel is the best method to give back to their country they love and gave them so much.
I'm not trying to make any point, stop being so sensitive, i'm asking what your point is so i could tell you if i agree with you or not, since i felt you was not being clear. The link has nothing to do with US soldiers, but more what could happen in the US if they choose not to serve on moral grounds.
"join to serve their country" what BS they know full well what a soldiers job is and what the automatic gun or the bombs in his plane will do... if serving your country is dropping a bomb on 3rd world then LOL... as for grims obvious avoiding of my question and returning to his old ways with his silly theory about how the alquaida guy joins to kill but the US thug plans to plant flowers with his automatic weapon or bomb, its all very amusing LOL...i did not expect an answer anyway...the double standard is endlessly amusing...so the US guy joins the army and plans to be a tourist? LOL...come on man have some honor and admit the obvious eh? oh and remember folks! when the US guy shoots you its never murder! because the brave men and women who "serve their country" are immune to any international war crimes tribunal so they can never be found guilty of any crime and they stay clean no matter what sue the US government over an illegal war? LOL good luck finding a court they answer to...
Haha, lets be honest. In the latest war in Iraq, the americans wanted Oil, and forced the British to help. Is Obama wins, (lets hope he does) then im assuming Georgia have NO oil or resources worth taking. And its not worth the risk. Russia are a powerful force, unless we had all the Chinese + American + UK soliders could we have a victory.
Chinese + American ? The chances that Chinese would side with Russia are much more, than with US. American + UK ? That could happen any time of the day. No doubts here.
purely money & business relations: . http://www.eu2008.si/en/News_and_Documents/Press_Releases/June/2706KPV_EU_Rusija1.html