It is virtually impossible for any US citizen to have a balanced idea of world events

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    #61
    Im not a prosecutor to know how many got assasinated and who did it ;)


    Deutsche Welle:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPDBfTX2aik
     
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    #62
    You know it but you simply won't admit it because it would say something about free press in Russia...

    I watched it and it doesn't support any of propaganda you posts here.
     
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    #63
    what propaganda? So you admit that Georgia attacked on a full scale? And you admit that Russia defended its citizens from killing? Good.

    Now read any western media from US/UK, you will be surprised with sentences like:

    Russia wants to bomb pipelines, Russia bombs georgian cities (although no one died, haha), and the best out of them: Russian tanks heading to Tbilisi :D
     
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    #64
    Georgia only did what you said anyone in whole world would do it. Of course, when Russia wants to get more territory attacking others they doing it only "to protect their citizens". Hitler used same excuse for attacking other countries.
    Is Russia so much concerned about their citizens they wouldn't kill 35,000 of those same citizens in Chechnya. Basicly, story about "defending its citizens" is total BS.
     
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    #65
    South Ossetia isnt a georgian territory, so Georgia invaded other nation, which want to be independent.

    you are brainwashed, and cannot spot terrorist from a "freedom fighter". LEt me remind you:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

    ^ thats who you call "freedom fighters" ?
     
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    #66
    South Ossetia is still Georgian territory according to whole world including your own country so basicly Georgian didn't "invaded" anyone

    So that's why Russia killed more than 35,000 innocent civilians who were their citizens? Is that your excuse for Russian crimes? Or do you want to claim that those 35,000 were terrorists too?
    And can you show my post where I called anyone "freedom fighter"? Thanks! :)
     
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    #67
    whatever, I dont think its a georgian territory. When the USSR collapsed, both south ossetia and Abkhaziya wanted to be independent just as Georgia and I think they have the same right to be independent as Georgia. All of them were a part of USSR.

    "freedom fighter"? Well, based on posts you defend their activities in Russia. How you call them then? If they arent terrorists and not "freedom fighters". Who are they then?
     
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    #68
    What you think is irellevant. Period. They were and they still are parts of Georgia and Georgia were part of USSR. Even your country is aware of that and you still didn't recognized their independence(and I dunno if anyone is in whole world).

    Where did I defended their activities in Russia? :confused:
    You mix apples and oranges. If you were from Georgia you would probably claim for South Ossetians that they are terorrists too...
    You want to claim that there were no ordinary chechens that didn't wanted to live under russian occupation? How about all other republics and regions in Russia? Do they have right to get their independence? Or all who fought from those territories are terrorists too?
     
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    #69
    If you go earlier, it was Ossetia alone, and then Stalin split it on 2 parts North and South. So period is yours, learn history.

    so what are your chechen arguments about then? Bombing the Grozny? Guees what? They were fighting in Grozny))) its not like it was a civilian city without any rebels.

    First of all, Russia said sorry for that and regret it, and at that time we had an idiot president (Eltsin), who was sending 18 years old kids to Chechnya, so why are you talking about Chechnya? Do you have a better fighting plan if you had that situation?

    Talk about south ossetia/georgia.
     
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    #70
    It doesn't matter if ti was all filled with russians 50 years ago and if it was called Russia 40 years ago. The facts are facts: South Ossetia was,is and will be Georgian territory as long as they want to.

    So Russia killed 35,000 innocent civilians, THEIR OWN CITIZENS, and than said sorry and that makes it ok?!?
    Anyway, country which is able to kill 35,000 of their own citizens can't claim that they doing something to protect their citizens...
     
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    #71
    try to fix it ;) good luck.

    You should invent a new way of fighting with terrorists who blow up thnigs in the whole region not only in Chechnya, come back then, I will listen to you.

    P.S: Russia lost some 25 mln of its "OWN CITIZENS" in ww2, and you know why? ;) I think you know it. Moreover, Stalin was killing its "OWN CITIZENS" if they did not want to fight. So think about it.
     
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    #72
    Yes, the old Russian recipe to fight against enemy: kill as much of your own civilians as you can and you will win! Great tactic! You should stick to it in all of your future wars! :rolleyes:
     
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    #73
    we will, dont worry. In 21st century we are still the biggest country ;)

    You just dont know anything about war, tactics etc. All these brainwashed statements from the west, how cute they are (democracy, etc) wont help you much in a war.
     
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    #74
    Nice of you that you admit that Russia will continue to be facist country. :)

    How do you know that? Do you know me personally so that you can make claim like that?
    One thing can anyone know about war and tactics: you don't flat entire city if you are fighting against guerilla army because it would cause tons of innocent civilians casualties for sure and there's big chance that you will hardly do any damage to those who you fighting against.


    So those 35,000 innocent civilians weren't cute at all huh?
     
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    #75
    I know based on your posts. Facist country? :rolleyes:

    Once again: read the history and dont watch Pearl Harbour movie :D


    35K? how about 1 mln?:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_conflict_in_Iraq_since_2003
     
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    #76
    :rolleyes:
    This hardly deserves any comment at all. You simply can't know! You can only have opinion but things like that doesn't bother you at all. You think if you think something that makes it fact.

    Yes, facist country. You know, opossite to democracy. YOu know, when journalists got killed because writing critic articles about government politics and things like that.

    Oh I got it! Killing 35,000 innocent civilians, YOUR OWN CITiZENS, is ok as long as there's much more casulties in some other country!
    Like I've said: facist country.
     
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    #77
    just like US, the best democracy in the world :) oh yeah! :D

    You still dont get it))) Russia isnt a tiny Luxembourg to be a cute angel, so as US. Oh, man. Lets end this rant. You wont get it.

    P.S: Last time: Yes, losing some of your people is OK, as long as you save your territory. And I will die for my motherland, too. If needed.
     
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    #78
    I get it: I call Russia facist country and your asnwer was "russia isn't a tiny Luxemburg to be a cute angel". What's there to not get it?
    Can you name me one single US journalist got assasinated for criticizings US government?

    Dieing for your country and got killed by your own country are two different things but it's something that you won't get it.
     
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    #79
    who cares about journalist, you open your eyes, and realize 1 mln deaths. No need to stick your nose in our business.

    There will always be civilian casualties when you are fighting. At least it wasnt 1mln death chechens ;)
     
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    #80
    So it's like: let's change subject so that we can do what ever we want in our backyard, right?

    ...and you are not angels,right?
     
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