Majority Want Libertarian Bob Barr Included in Presidential Debates - Zogby

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Should the debates be open to all major candidates?

Poll closed Sep 16, 2008.
  1. Should Bob Barr Be Included in Presidential Debates?

    100.0%
  2. Should Ralph Nader Be Included in Presidential Debates?

    75.0%
  3. Not sure

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. #1
    http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1538

    Statistical breakouts at http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1538

    Do you think Barr and Nader should be onstage at the debates? Do you think the democratic process is best served by only having two choices?

    It probably doesn't matter. No way the people who count the votes and stage the election allow dissidents like Barr or Nader on the stage, particular Nader, who unlike Barr, doesn't pull any punches. People think they are deciding something by voting in a democracy, but we all know that the people who select the choices and count the ballots make all of the decisions for us.
     
    guerilla, Aug 17, 2008 IP
  2. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I Just dislike Barr. There is something about him that really rubs me the wrong way.

    That being said, I see no reason for fringe candidates like Barr and Nader to be in the debates.
     
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    lightless Notable Member

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    Talking about presidential debates, here's something interesting.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93493479
     
    lightless, Aug 17, 2008 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Have moderators already been selected? I did not even know debate dates, etc., had been agreed to yet.
     
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    lightless Notable Member

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    http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Aug05/0,4670,DebatesModerators,00.html
     
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  6. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Thanks...

    Isn't Gwen Ifill a black woman?

    These types of complaints that everyone is not fairly represented by the people asking the question bug me. Isn't it the questions asked that matter and not the color or gender of the person asking the questions?
     
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    lightless Notable Member

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    She's moderating the vice-presidential debate. Not as important as the presidential debate maybe.

    True. But not everybody sees things that way.
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    I know, but with 3 debates not every group is going to be represented will they? This just becomes silliness. What no Jew, no Muslim, no Baptist, no Italian, no black men, no white women, no handicapped, no poor people, no military person, no teacher, no small business owner, no elderly, etc.?

    I guess there will always be room to complain. I am not saying the questioners will be good, but just that no matter who it is, other groups are left out.

    People should complain about the quality of the questions not about the ethnic makeup of the person asking them.
     
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    Yes. The ways of the world are strange and illogical indeed sometimes.
     
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    I agree on both points. I do not like Barr one bit, I however do think at least the more popular of the 'other' parties/candidates should be allowed to participate.
     
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    I say yes they should be allowed in the debates. I do not like Barr but why not include him?
     
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    I dont know how you could say that they should be excluded. Hell, as much as I hate Sean Hannity, I would still want him to be in a debate if we was a third party candidate. Its about sharing every side to every story.
     
    LinkSales, Aug 18, 2008 IP
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    The same reason they only let the top athletes compete in the Olympics. It is not like they let every country put someone in each competition. They have to be of the level where they might win - they have to qualify. Likewise, if Barr or Nader had a certain level of support I would welcome them into the debates. There is no reason to let people who have no chance of winning, and minimal support among the voting public, participate. Otherwise it is just a distraction from the people actually competing to win and guys like Barr and Nader get a chance to skew the debate toward their personal favorite amongst the actual competitors for President.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    Yeah, but are we really served by only hearing the opinions that can win? I mean, it's pretty obvious that there isn't a pubic hair of difference between McBama and McBama. Why even have the election, do it like the old days, let McCain be the VP and Obama the President. After two years, they can swap positions. I mean really, are we seriously going to give this charade any credibility?

    These two parties don't even serve as principled opposition to the other. Neither party actually stands for anything. They both stand for the very same things!

    I dunno.

    I think it is a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's difficult to get on the ballots because the ballot requirements are managed by the Dems and GOP. It's difficult to get into the debates, because the establishment doesn't want anyone besides the Dems and GOP. The 3rd parties can't win, because they can't get on the ballot, and they can't get the free TV exposure that the major party candidates get for 2 years in the primaries and general.

    That sure is some democracy we got there. McBama or... McBama.
     
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    Is it just me, or are the "answers" just questions?
    Simple answers including these would be better.
    Yes.
    No.
    Who are they?
    What country?
     
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    #16
    Yeah, the poll made no sense, but it doesn't really matter. Online polls aren't worth the paper they're written on.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    I was just trying to give you guys some interactivity. You know, for all the people who vote for the lesser of two evils, who actually think their vote counts and will be counted.

    I don't think the votes count, and if they did, I think we're always given two false choices, but it's fun to vote anyway. You know, all Web 2.0 and stuff.
     
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    Wow you are back in web 2.0? You really should upgrade your internets to 3.0
     
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