How hard would achieving the first page of Google be out of 500,000 results

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by necromancer1976, Aug 16, 2008.

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    While I'm not new to the internet making money game, I am new to SEO and trying to make money from organic search ways. I've had some ideas that require organic traffic and most categories that I've searched for had 500,000 results or less.

    I know it's very vague and not definite answer, even a very noobish question in the first place but how hard and long would it take to achieve the first page out of 500,00 results? Of course there's no definite answer but I'd like to know what others have gone through or how long I should buckle down for. :p
     
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  2. Nigel Lew

    Nigel Lew Notable Member

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    Pretty easy, that is a piece of cake.

    have fun,
    Nigel
     
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  3. globestar

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    What about 1.5 million results?
     
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  4. cheaptraffic

    cheaptraffic Active Member

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    Under 3 mil is easy.
     
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    MRniceGuy007 Peon

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    moderate easy up to 10 Million.

    the real SEO hard working game starts at 20 MIL or 10,000 competing sites
     
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    necromancer1976 Peon

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    Thanks for the replies guys. Time to start learning.
     
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    hasan_889 Banned

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  8. Joseh7

    Joseh7 Well-Known Member

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    I am also a noob. Here is what I did to get a 2-word keyphrase that has 900,000 results to a solid #1 in the SERPs.

    - Submitted my site with the key phrase as the Title to 1K directories.
    - Submitted to Social Bookmarking sites with the key phrase in the title.
    - Bought a PR6 and PR7 link with the key phrase as the tilte text. If you do this try to purchase a link on a site with a similar niche as yours.

    After about 4-6 weeks I am a solid #1. I am sure there are many people on here who know a lot more than me and can achieve the same thing in less than half the time with half the work but this is just the way a noob like myself did it.

    btw, for the past 2 months I have been trying to get a page within my site on the 1st page of the SERPs with a key word and a few key phrases. In the process I have been sandboxed. The 3 or 4 key words and phrases I ranked for on the 1st or 2nd page are gone from the Google SERPs. That 2-word key phrase I was #1 for vanished from the SERPs for about a week. But I am back at a strong #1 (currently there are 1.3 mil results) for the key phrase I worked hard on despite not even being indexed for all the other key words and phrases that have disappeared. My site name without the, ".com" doesn't even show up in the SERPs anymore but that 2-word key phrase is back to a strong #1, lol, go figure.
     
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  9. seo alchemist

    seo alchemist Greenhorn

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    Hi Necromancer,

    I think that you're actually asking two different questions, as there is no direct correlation between the total number of pages featuring a given keyword and the strength of those on page 1.

    More accurate figures would be returned by looking to see how many optimised pages there are in Google. A simple definition of optimised could be pages featuring the keyphrase in their title tags that also have links with that phrase in their anchor text.

    Thankfully there is an easy way to get this figure. Just type the following phrase into a Google search box exactly as shown, except for replacing "keyword research" with your target keyphrase.
    intitle:"keyword research" inanchor:"keyword research"
    Even this number however isn't all that useful. After all, you are only really trying to compete with the top 10 pages.

    The rest don't really count for much, so rather than looking at the total number of searches for a given keyword, why not just try looking at the strength of the top ten pages.

    The two main indicators to look for are the number of backlinks and the pages PageRank. Neither measure alone is very accurate, however the two work well when considered together. Also, some pages have very few backlinks of their own, but rank well due to being hosted on a strong domain. Such pages may be slightly easier to beat, if you build a lot of deep links to key pages on your site that you'd like to outrank them.

    For more of an explanation as to how links relate to PageRank see: http://www.marketappeal.co.uk/blog/how-to-estimate-pagerank/

    Anyway, I suggest using a tool such as SEO for Firefox as it simultaneously displays domain links, page links and PageRank for each of the top ten pages for any keywords that you search for in Google.

    See: http://tools.seobook.com/firefox/seo-for-firefox.html

    or my article here for even more SEO tools: http://www.marketappeal.co.uk/blog/free-seo-tools-and-search-engine-optimisation-software/

    Once you have a rough idea as to how many links and the approximate PageRank you'll need then you can estimate how long it might take.

    For example, I now know that I can get a typical new site up to around 200 links and PageRank 2 within a couple of months, and up to PR 3 and 1,000 links in 4-6 months relatively easily.

    On the other hand, beating an average PR 6 site with over 100,000 backlinks in less than a year without a budget exceeding £10,000 per month is going to be very difficult.
     
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    exactly, even if the search was only 150k, if positions 5-10 are pr5 pr6 sites, or wiki and .gov pages, its still going to take a while. number of pages is only a smallish part of the overall picture.
     
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    yeah. the first thing you should do is research the keywords..
     
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    Joseh, where did you buy the high PR links from? DP?
     
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    text-links-ads.com is a great place to get high PR links.
     
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    Yes. In our LINKS ads section. Also check the Advertising forum.
     
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    Jim4767 Prominent Member

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    Not hard at all. I track only keywords which get at least 25 searches per day. I have on Google's first page 18 KWs that get more than 500,000 results on the search pages.

    Write quality, keyword-rich content. Be sure to put your targeted keywords in your titles. And get lots of links using those keywords (as anchor text) to those pages. Just keep working hard at these things, and the results will come. :)
     
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  16. jophan

    jophan Active Member

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    as seo alchemist pointed out the difficulty of a keyword does not solely depend
    on the number of results but more on what the top 10 sites have done on their
    website concerning onpage and offpage optimization.

    so, even if 500k may look easy its important to know especially how many keywords
    the others have.
     
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    500k doesn't seem to bad but to check, check the link counts (and the places the links come from) for the domains that are competing with what you want the site to be on...

    Also check that the keywords you're using is actually type.
     
    alexme, Aug 19, 2008 IP