Russia vs Georgia - This is a tale of US expansion not Russian aggression

An interesting Guardian article.

By the way, guardian is a UK paper, not Russian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/14/russia.georgia

The comments are very interesting too, americans blame british and saying US saved UK's a** in ww2 Someone answered very well to that american.

Im glad ordinary people arent that dumb in UK.

 

I am surprised to see such an article in western media! A lot of truth in it.

.............. You'd be hard put to recall after all the fury over Russian aggression that it was actually Georgia that began the war last Thursday with an all-out attack on South Ossetia to "restore constitutional order" - in other words, rule over an area it has never controlled since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Nor, amid the outrage at Russian bombardments, have there been much more than the briefest references to the atrocities committed by Georgian forces against citizens it claims as its own in South Ossetia's capital Tskhinvali. Several hundred civilians were killed there by Georgian troops last week, along with Russian soldiers operating under a 1990s peace agreement: "I saw a Georgian soldier throw a grenade into a basement full of women and children," one Tskhinvali resident, Saramat Tskhovredov, told reporters on Tuesday...........the lobbying firm headed by US Republican candidate John McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randy Scheunemann, has been paid nearly $900,000 by the Georgian government since 2004.............

McCain the POW the hero from Vietnam is nothing more than a political prostitute.

 

I just read the first few paragraphs from that article and he seems to just be a radical leftist stating the same old crap that half the nation says already. Nothing new or unique about this guy. The western media says this junk quite often. Not sure how you are missing out so much.

Dont get me wrong its a great article presenting only one side of the story but this is hardly the entire case.

 

I came across this article elsewhere on the web which I thought was a good explanation of recent events:

 

So the world can't build alternative pipelines because Russia will attack them militarily? All the while Russia is posing as a "Democracy" yet threatened to nuke Poland, another Democracy on their border for building a defense shield?

 

"Were round three of this conflict to kick off with Georgia as a full NATO member, NATO could be forced by its own logic into full scale war with Russia - with South Ossetia occupying the place in history that Sarajevo held in 1914 just before the start of World War One, only this time round both sides are nuclear armed... "

It would be too premature to think of a possibility of a war between NATO forces and Russia. Both sides know that there will be no winner. If Russia and the countries in NATO were to use their nuclear weapons, the result would be total annihilation. There will be no winners.

 

I support Kosovo getting independence and I would also support South Ossetia. But at the same time Kosovo did not have troops from another nation going in and escalating things. As of now Georgia still has rights to South Ossetia. Russia does not. If South Ossetia were to get its freedom then Russia would have a valid case to of reacted the way they did. But as of now they do not.

 

You are right, but you forgot to mention that UK isnt a Russia's ally, UK was always against Russia and we all know its a little brother of US. You are probably would say the same to this article from independent, right

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinio...ys-who-are-the-west-trying-to-kid-897498.html

Russia DOES have rights to have their peacekeepers there since 1990, and UN approved it, so dont talk if you dont know facts.

And Russia DOES have rights to defend the people who live in that region if they get attacked. End of story.

 

Irrelevant to who is whose ally. It is an independent person writing. It does not matter where they live. I can write the same thing being an American.
You are using stupid little strawman arguments and out right stupid statements that do not prove anything.

Do they have the right to violate Georgian airspace several times and to out loads of troops at the border. Russia has basically been setting the stage for many months now.

Since its not their country no not really.

 

I wouldnt say that a stupid person would work for Guardian and Independent

At least I am providing something, cant see your proof, err?

Yes they do. After Georgian attack they can violate whatever they want. Ill tell you more if US attacks Russia, Russia will have the right to vilolate US airspace

Georgia violated it first with MLR's launchers and air force, demolishing the whole south ossetian city. When you declare a war - be prepared for the same answer.

You are probably one of them brainwashed ppl who thinks Russia invaded Georgia. Find out first who started this sh*t.

 

Actually Russia had been violating Georgian airspace for many months prior to this outbreak. Russia had been setting the stage for a long time. And Georgia \"attacked\" their own nation if anything. Not Russia. So Russia has no business still to get involved. If Georgia actually went into Russia and began attacking then Russia would have all rights to retaliate. But South Ossentia is legally part of Georgia so Russia got into something that did not concern them.

 

75% of their own nation are russian passport holders and NOT georgian. So, you actually approve the georgian attacking their own people with tanks, MLR's, jets?

No need to argue further, I guess.

South Ossetia & Abkhaziya are NOT legally parts of Georgia. Read the history.

 

There are reports of South Ossetians starting the escalation by shelling Georgian-controlled villages. Sounds as if possibly they got things going and pulled Russia into it. But either way they are part of Georgia. They run a de facto independent government but still legally Georgian territory.

 

Now you dare to say that Russia has got nothing to do with this conflict. Learn the history. They will NEVER live together with georgians and you still want them to join?

 

Now you dare to out right lie in public. I cannot find any post of mine in whic I stated Russia has nothing to do with this conflict.

 

sounds the same to me.

 

I think not.

 

Okay) We'll leave it at "similar"

 

anybody who cant not see that this is all about the US supporting puppet nation georgia over power/oil is insane...

 

True!

These insane policies of getting OIL by all means will come back to bite all of us. It already did quite a bit. Just see the OIL prices.