I always have to chuckle watching the religious use contrived logic and bizarre rationalisations trying to justify their belief that a good, loving, perfect god would allow a world where so many innocent people suffer immensely.
I call them the non-in-themselves believers, trying to find that misterious help from above, I dont know why above though, it might be under ground, can't it ?
Yes, I do. Happiness, love, and the general sense of well-being that comes from good things are all emotions. Emotions are produced by chemical reactions in the brain. You do not need to experience the opposite of these emotions for your brain to produce these chemical reactions.
There is no help coming because........ we have free will. God does not interfere in the world, He does not "cause" suffering or cause anything. He has given us free will, and rules of conduct that have to be followed. This life on Earth is a test... to know how good humans are... Its a sort of a simulation. God is testing us.. We have to show determination, unwavering loyalty and hold steadfastly to the principles of God, like John Gault did....
Not all suffering is a result of free will, Not even most of it is. I can never understand why the religious think free will is an excuse for suffering. I guess it's a part of this "it's always the victims fault" mentality. This is the trouble for believing in a perfect, all loving entity, You have to find someone to blame for the shit, And like battered wives, The religious are all to quick to blame themselves.... And if that doesn't work they can always blame the gays. My year old niece has free will. What should i do if she is hungry? turn my back or feed her? What would an all loving person do? and more importantly, what would an all loving person do if helping and alleviating all suffering would take absolutely no effort at all. Think about it, Think long and hard.
People must suffer and be in despair, otherwise, we would be living in Heaven. Those who do good deeds will live eternity without worry or suffering. Those who God makes them suffer will be rewarded. Peace,
Why would an omnipotent God care if you suffer? Why do people try to attach human emotions to something that is far removed from the human condition? I don't think God cares if puppies and old ladies die, I think it seems quite obvious that suffering is part of the plan.
god allows suffering because... god as no power in this universe. In other words, god doesn't exist, or if it does, it is limited to having an effect outside of our light-cone, as there is no evidence.
I don't know, but if you didn't feed her then she would suffer. And of course, that would be God's fault I'm not sure if there's any plan, but people just like to complain. They don't realize that it's a gift to have life and a mouth to complain with. You give a man a dollar and he wants 2. You give someone life and emotions that make him human and he complains about pain and suffering. Go figure. Sadly, that's just how we work. The ironic thing is that if everyone in the world gave a rats ass about people suffering in the world we could end it --- but maybe too many people are spending their free time complaining about how there is no God and if there is, then shame on him for creating suffering. So the real question is, what are you doing to improve the quality of life for people less priviledged in the world?
What would i be if i could effortlessly feed a starving child but chose not to? What would you call someone who refused to help someone who is suffering when helping them would requite no effort at all?
I dont Belief in Religion fullstop,anything can be twisted and seen in a differant light !!! These debates will go on for ever and they never achieve anything anyway,i respect anybodies view on there chosen religion but its not for me.
It is very easy to shift the blame on g-d isn't it? It's our own decisions that lead to joy and suffering
Oh, no . . . Not another topic on 'God'! There is no God. Hail Satan, the true and only God! I'm kidding, of course. There is no Satan, either. It's all nonsense, man.
Aren't you afraid of burning in hell for eternity? God is real, and you are a living proof God exist. Species that exist now are pretty complicated to exist by randomness. Peace,
Funny stuff! I had to laugh! No, I'm not afraid of nonsense. The threat of eternal hell has been used by the Church to manipulate the masses for years. Don't fall for it.
People are moving away from religion... DARN... Its all Satan's game plan. Science was probably invented by satan. The laws of physics were written by Satan so that he could steer people away from God.
This is of course assuming God is actually some kind of person (personal God) in the sky who gives a shit about us. Exactly. Wars and violence are the fault of people fighting. (FREE WILL) Natural disasters are the fault of Earth and some might be the fault of climate change which can sometimes be linked to pollution. Many illnesses can be attributed to pollution. Birth defects are often genetic or again caused from pollution. Poverty is created by people and their economic situation (inflation can destroy nations). (FREE WILL) It's a miracle that we've been given life on this abundant planet. But what we do from here on out is our own, collective decision. lol I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic?
The Bible says that he knows and cares if a sparrow dies. I believe He put us here to worship Him. However without a choice, it wouldn't really matter if we worshipped him would it? If I programmed a robot to say "All hail Wierdo!" it wouldn't matter, unless I gave it the choice and knowledge to make the choice. He allows suffering because, as previously mentioned, it's a trial. Those who truly believe in Him and do what He says get rewarded.
That's the problem with holy texts. They are all written by a person, not God himself. Heresay. All religions claim a personal connection to God. Yet I believe nobody has one. You can't be a major religion if you don't claim a real connection with God. It's all about power. Enter the prophets...