Iran Or Isreal? Who Will Be The Victory?

Bush already knows that he has a very negative legacy. He basically has "nothing to lose". The only way that Mc Cain can get voted in with a huge confidence vote is if Bush attacks. No American will vote Obama into office if by the time elections come around America is already engaged in a war. Don't kid yourself.

I honestly think that between now and November, something serious will happen. If you think that America was worried about chemical weapons in Iraq - then you can bet your ass that decision makers are very worried with Iran's nuclear aspirations.

Iran makes Saddam look like little red riding hood. All jokes aside, this is a very serious subject.

Any president can be "appealing" or run policies that are "appealing" to the public for high opinion polls. Bush has proven that he doesnt give a damn about opinion polls. The only question that he probably asks himself before leaving office is "Did I leave anything undone".

If you think that Bush is going to allow Obama to undue all of his work in Iraq, you can be damn sure your mistaken.

I think that Bush is holding out only to see how the elections are going. If Mc Cain gathers votes, then he may procrastinate. The United States doesnt want another president that barely gets elected in. Bush barely got elected in twice, and the first time was a total sham using dirty politics.

So I think that Bush with all of his experience will make it easy on Mc Cain.

 

you missed all the signs. i was sure they have a deal when the world bank gave them the loan.
then all the political advances of hizbulah in lebenon
start of all peace initiatives in Israel
negotiation meeting being attended by US recently
opening of the interest office.
gates speech
NIE
talking about defense systems
all adds up.

 

Israel is nothing without the US. They may have these nuclear weapons, but ever wondered where they got it from ? The topic title should be changed to Iran or US.

 

France helped build Israel's first nuclear reactor. You should study history.

I do not believe the US have ever provided Israel with a nuclear weapon - do you think that they have?

 

The USA gives billions of dollars to Israel every year, the money is not to pay for falafels mate.

 

ya and its not to pay for yamulkes either...

 

There are 6 billion people in the world.

You'd be surprised at how far Jewish wealth goes. We are less than 18 million Jews worldwide, only 5 million in Israel. We have the strongest military in the middle east. The Israeli yearly government budget is more money than all Arab countries put together budget for their own people. (that is an actual fact)

Fact is, Jew's control most of the major world banks, most of Hollywood and the media, and we even have our own country. You must admit that it's pretty impressive that were so small against the rest of the world population.

America sides with us cause its good for America. Jews represent profitable industry and evolutionary thought. Arab's represent "revolutionary" thought.

For you morons, evolution means changing with time as opposed to revolution which refers to revolving around the same old shit.

 

The US gives billions of dollars to many countries, including a number of islamic countries whose citizens parade in the streets after friday prayers burning effigies of Americans and Israelis shouting "death to American and Israel."

Who gives money to your buds?

 

The amount of money that the USA gives to Israel is astonishingly disproportionate when compared to the aid it gives to any other country.

As usual you haven't thought it through have you?

 

That goes without saying. Israel gives back to our country in the form of technology. That's probably not the only way either. It doesn't have nutjobs in the streets burning our flag shouting "death to the infidels, death to America, death to Israel." They are a good ally. They benefit from us, we benefit from them.

Not sure about you, but when I'm out and someone asks me for a few dollars to buy a meal, I generally will help them. I've been poor, I've been comfortable. It's tough out there. Everyone has a story.

However, if someone comes up to me and asks for a few bucks to buy a meal then says "death to you, you suck, stupid American" I'm going to walk right past him.

 

i hate to say it but i was right looool i lied i love it

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1010938.html

 

Of course I have to disagree with you GTech (as I always do. )

Israel does nothing at all for the USA, the only reason the USA ploughs billions of dollars of your tax money into Israel is because it's a foothold into Middle Eastern hegemony for the crazed neocon lunatics in charge of your country.

 

I lol'd.

death to america? but first give us some money.

 

No one will win...

 

Ha Aret'z is a leftest newspaper in Israel. Not one that most people respect. Had that been written in the main daily papers (Yediot Achronot or Maariv) maybe it would have some legitimacy. But Ha Aretz is more of a political newspaper (as opposed to a newspaper who just sticks to the news and leaves the reader to determine the meaning).

Most of the article mentions un-named sources only referring to them as "Americans" or "Israeli's". That isnt professional journalism. It's simple minded "us and them" journalism.

We've all learned how dangerous the word "un-named sources and leaks" can be nothing other than either a journalists license to print anything that comes to mind. Fact is, the majority of people who are in control aren't talking about their plans.

Israel has said nothing other than "We wont live next to a country with Nukes". We've taken out the Syrian nuclear facility without bothering to even take credit - just another example of how actions have proceeded even the best of the words.

Iran is a country that has called for the destruction of Israel. Yet Iran has never attacked Israel because it knows that we'd knock them back into the stone age. Iran with nukes would be a lot more bold. Iran has long range weapons, mostly surface to surface.

Now, there may be one thing that your missing when reading the article...

Israel is not in need of long range surface to surface weapons. We've been stock piling them for years. America has paid in billions of dollars of arsenal over the years. We are not even in need of "surface to air", hence shooting planes out of the sky. Iran would never get a plane off the ground. Iranian pilots trained on old Russian and Chinese migs are no match for an Israeli pilot flying a brand new F16. So there wont be any Iranian planes flying over Israeli skies.

We havent had a long range missle war that required the stock piled arsenal in over 20 years. So we've got stock piles of long range attack arsenal.

Iran has long range missles. That is their only plan of "attack" and "defense. There wont be any Iranian planes, and the only way that Iran can show up is to load their soldiers and try to get them to Lebanon via Syria to physically attack Israel.

But I doubt that Syria would jump in because Israel would erase Syria. Lebanon would attack from the north, but Israel would be far less compassionate to the Southern Lebanese towns to prevent any Northern front.

Our only requirement for a war with Iran is the most sophisticated surface to surface defense systems. We have everything else we need. According to the article, that is the only thing that we are asking for.

 

no body has denied it yet. As i have said there are other signs also. you just choose not to see it.

 

Until there is an attack on Iranian nuclear facilities you can keep claiming you are right. And since nobody is going to announce an attack ahead of time - only time will tell.

Feel free to keep thinking highly of yourself for predicting a non-attack until it happens. When someone eventually takes care of the Iranian nuclear threat you will be safer like the rest of us.

 

wake up and smell the coffee.

 

The reality is would you like to live in a world where Iran has Nukes?

Israel is an established country, a member of the UN, and thus a part of the "world community". The only way you become a country is if the UN accepts you as a country. The only way to enforce sanctions is to go to the UN (where all other countries convene together) and get resolutions past.

The world has made it clear that we dont want IRAN with nukes. Not just Israel, but even the Muslim countries have supported sanctions against Iran.

The question is not "what is right or wrong" rather "will any one or joint country(s) enforce UN resolutions".

Israel has more than just the firepower, we have the most united people on earth. We will not allow another holocaust to happen to our people. Remember, just 60 years ago over 6 million Jews died because of a similar mistake. Israeli military power is considered "aggressive", however, God forbid we'd be considered "sheep". We'd be eaten by our Arab wolf neighbors.

For thousands of years the same wars have been going on. We're long past the "how" and "why". Slowly but surely all Muslim countries have grown to recognize that we're here to stay. The last country that exists today that still screams for Israel's destruction is Iran.

Fact is, Iran made a joke out of America 20 years ago when the current regime took over the government by force. They attacked the American embassy. A failed special forces attack left additional American hostages for the Iranians to hold. Reagan was afraid to send in the military. So instead of being a stong president, Reagan opted to trade advanced weapons in exchange for American soldiers and embassy staff. To make things worse - he lied to congress and the American people about it. For those of you who are to young to remember, the fiasco earned the name "The Iran Contra". America totally lost face and has ensured that Iran be shut out of the world. Even countries like Libya (for terrorism) have been forgiven. But Iran has over debts. And trust me, no politician in America is going to get on TV renouncing an attack on Iran.

Fact is, on TV you'd have all the embassy staff and soldiers who we're kidnapped by the current regime telling their stories - embedding into the minds of every American how evil the Iranian regime is. How public hangings, cutting off hands in public, etc., are regular daily facts of Iranian life.

In the past 20 years, Iran has been found guilty by South American, European and American courts for directly financing the terror cells and groups who actually committed the terror in those respective countries. Fact is, Iran provides government finance to groups of people (terrorists) who attack foreign governments. The Hizbollah which is in Lebanon is 100% financed by Iran. Iranians are not Arabs. They are muslim by religion but not Arabs by definition - and they dont consider themselves Arabs. The Iranians support the Arabs only when it meets their needs of spreading terror and chaos.

The world is a better place without Iran. Even Saddam never really fucked with American targets overseas. I mean the Iranian regime is like a green-gang fungus that threatens not just Israel's, but man kind.

Fact: Iran has long range missles that all reach Europe. What do you think Iran with Nukes would do if France attacked Iran? Again, this isn't an Israeli problem.

I want to remind you all that it was Israel who took out Saddam Husseins nuclear facilities. Back then, Reagan was shocked and made negative remarks about "Israeli Aggression". Today, everybody in the world is thankful for what Israel did.

What do you think Saddam would have done if he had Nukes? Let me guess, just let the Americans invade without pushing the button? WAKE UP!

 

i really do not want to get to argue with you point by point. You will get upset. So let me say all these have been considered already. Today some one in your govt denied that these things have any connection I did not noticed anything about the facts not being correct but denying the connection only.
let me also say that nobody will allow another holocaust but being afraid of holocaust does not give you the right to genocide.
let me ask you something.
should russians in their mind have the right to attack israel. since you sold arms to georgia and trained them?