An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem Science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and..... Prof: So you believe in God? Student: Absolutely, sir. Prof: Is God good? Student: Sure. Prof: Is God all-powerful? Student: Yes. Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.) Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fellow. Is God good? Student: Yes. Prof: Is Satan good ? Student: No. Prof: Where does Satan come from? Student: From...God.. . Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student: Yes. Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student: Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer. ) Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they? Student: Yes, sir. Prof: So, who created them? ( Student has no answer.) Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter? Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. Prof: Yet you still believe in Him ? Student: Yes. Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my faith. Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has. Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Prof: Yes. Student: And is there such a thing as cold? Prof: Yes. Student: No sir. There isn't. (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events .) Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, But we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre .) Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness? Student: You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.) Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar .) Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.) Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent . The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable. ) Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son. Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive....... ......... .. source === I love to have your comments.....
Only recently we had this tripe spouted on here, Only last time the student was Albert Einstein. this conversation never happened. it's a lie. of course, reality is not the forte of the religious, they tell what ever lies it takes to give their infantile fantasies credibility. Grow up and develop some integrity. Would would jesus and mohammad lie about?
There are many idiots in this world, I actually thought this conversation took place. I was starting to doubt tho, how could the teacher be so damn stupid.
Wow.... it's something called "storytelling", used to convey information while being entertaining at the same time. I'm suprised you here haven't heard about it.
If i fabricated a story about you, your beliefs and a fictional situation where you were seen to be defending something you actually oppose, like slavery, would you think it's "story telling used to convey information" or would you instead think it was a deceitful lie designed to misrepresent your true beliefs? Make up stories where a theist apparently gets one over on a professor with a facile argument if you want, in a made up story is the only place a theist is ever likely to win an argument, But don't tell lies about people. The introduction of Einstein to this story was for no other reasons than to give the story credibility and to misrepresent Einsteins beliefs. Is demanding integrity and honesty from the religious really too much to ask?
lol are you kidding? It's not a deceitful lie, it's not telling lies about people. Anyone with a shred of common sense can clearly see this is obviously a story and Einstein is not mentioned anywhere.
stox changed it and sent it out through some yahoo group stating saying it was Einstein to try to make it into a lie to try and steer more people to his site when he went on a rampage to disprove eistein ever did it, which he already knew, because he made up that version. At least, that is my guess. stox isn't known for being brilliant or truthful, just search the threads that he is currently involved in here.
It's kinda deceitful. The scientific side of the argument presented in this story is mostly devoid of any real science, and shows a complete lack of understanding of scientific principles and the scientific method. It is presented with a clear bias towards faith, and makes it's point by misrepresenting the opposing view. Furthermore, it assumes a false premise - that science actually has a problem with God. There are many scientists that believe in god, yet still do GREAT science. Science and faith are not mutually exclusive.
It does not show that science has a problem with God, but that the professor does. Yes, many scientist believe in God and have no issues with their scientific findings and their belief in God.
What professor debunked? The professor in the fictional story fabricated by the deceitful religious and propagated as true? What would jesus lie about? webwork, Einstein is mentioned in the link i provided to the last time this crap was pasted here. it goes through the story almost word for word, and then at the end reveals "and the student was Einstein". You christians should be grateful Jesus is fictional. because if he really did exist and came back he would be utterly disgusted by the deceit and dishonesty done in his name.
lol I've been noticing that lately... I think its funny you would get up in arms about a silly chain letter. The story makes solid points which I haven't heard you comment about yet... You've only commented about the fact that someone made the story up (which doesn't make the points therein false by any means). Last time I checked Jesus was a real person... "You christians" --- lol who are you attacking here? It's like you're violently punching in the wind.
I'm not up in arms about the chain letter, I'm disgusted at the deceit and the willingness the religious have to tell lies about dead people. As for the argument presented in this fictional nonsense, it's word games. "cold" is a word we use to describe a concept. If this dialogue were to happen in reality and not just in the wishful fantasies of a theist the professor wouldn't have said that cold exists. It's bad enough when the strawman arguments of the theists involve real people, But when you have to fabricate entire encounters just to use a strawman you know you are in trouble.
There's a lot of lies coming from religion (and plenty of nonreligous as well). I'm suprised you of all people isn't used to this by now
This was not a lie but an illustration that led to a point. Jesus used illustrations and paraboles all the time. Was he lying? Certainly not! Thank U for the post (deceitful it would bd to credit this conversation to Einstein if he did not have it )