would you like a guaranteed lead service?

I know many of you remember me from back in the ebay leads day,when I was providing leads for ebay. Well when we did it through CJ, everyone was getting paid, but as soon as we switched over to epn, they started banning our members for low quality leads... After this we decided that lead generation in the form of ebay leads just wasn't going to work... so we closed down shop.

I'm considering opening up our services to the public again, but this time we'll be using cpa networks. I've been testing cpa programs and find that our lead service works fine with them, and we've been steadily earning commisions through networks using our lead generation tactics.

I'm just polling to see if many cpa marketers/affiliate marketers would be interested in such a service? I'm not offering this service yet, I just wanted to determine whether this would be something worth offering. let me know what you guys think.

 

Isn't this more of a scam then a service?

Are you providing legitament leads or are using bots/fake information?

I recommend you don't offer your illegal services to the public because CPA companies will make it even harder for us CPA marketers to convert a lead.

Look at the ringtone era, they are going to keep adding extra steps to make sure the lead is legit, making it even more harder for a conversion/lead.

So please, think before you release your ideas to the public.

Just incase: My bad if I took your post the wrong way!

 

uhhh... no. This works and has paid out many people before, We've been using this successfully with many networks ourselves and the networks are more then happy. They're not fakes.

 

What kind of leads u r planning to sell? email/zip leads or free trials ($1.95) type of leads?

 

Just talked in detail to Clifford about his service, seems too shady for me:

Basically you are paying upfront for lead generation, so you have to put 100% trust in this guy. He is vague why he doesn't run the offers under his own affiliate programs. He also states that the offers are constantly changing and using multiple networks is the key. He says the conversion rate is 100% and I assumed that it was because people were being told or forced to signup for the offers.

Sounds like a very blackhat method to me, could be legit, who knows but I sure as hell am not paying for leads upfront.

You all have been warned!

 

well... thanks for warning them refined... you also called me a scammer. lol, he thought we would send him millions of dollars and then he pays us!

I have a reputation on here, you can put your trust in that or you can't no one cares, and I haven't even declared we'll be offering this service, I am just testing the waters to see if you guys want something like this.

Getjimmy, we can do email/zips but they have a high chance for shaving from our own testing. I would recommend offers that are easy information submits such as education and debt offers. Anything that'll require only information and not too sensitive info you wouldn't want to enter yourself.


anyways, what is the overall feedback on this? should I start a BST thread? do I have enough interest here? let me know guys

anyone unfamiliar with my reputation for lead services check our old thread:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=730923

 

After reading some posts,my best advice will be not to start any thread,those edu or debt offers are not incentive offers and with this service,we (u and buyers) are only be ripping off advertisers,so do not start this service here.

 

Well, so far the cpa companies have not had a problem with our accounts, as a matter of fact, many of them have asked us to produce more, so while the big rich advertiser may be losing a little bit of their giant paychecks, you guys are getting paid so what does it matter? LOL I don't really care much about mega giant corporations (aka advertisers) if you do, then your right, this service is not for you.... ALSO alot of advertisers want to develope contact lists, which we are providing, and thats why I think so far it has been nothing but good feedback from our accounts.

so this service would function similar to our ebay service, you pay $10 for the lead, you earn $25.

would anyone actually be interested in trying this out?

 

Your ebay service must be dead since the ACRU changes, but I support the changes it stops scammers taking advantage of it like you was doing.

By doing what your doing only damages the affiliate market for others, advertisers have to recoup their losses by paying us legit affiliate marketers less...

Thank you!

 

Excuse me?? How rude, you're calling me a scammer based on ideas you have no idea what you're talking about.

Too bad you don't know what I'm doing you just assume. The bottom line is, We've been making good funds through this and I believe other people can use this service to their advantage, but unless I get more positive feedback I don't think this'll work out... Again, you have no idea what you're talking about, you're just mouthing off. We work DIRECTLY with networks to produce mass amounts.

Thank you

 

Dude u started the thread to ask if it will be a good service or not to sell leads or now and 50+ people have seen your thread now and few of them posted their opinion including me,so think twice before selling those fake leads.

Its people like you who are giving a bad name to affiliate industry.

 

getjimmy, its not fake leads.. we use incentive methods, including paying people to try offers... but I can't reveal actual methods to produce mass scale. I didn't write that above to you, hope you didn't think so. If a affiliate is uncomfortable using non-incentive offers for these leads, even though we are very confident in our leads success to reach payout and not get you banned, then incentive offers would be better approach.

Offers don't complain, networks don't complain, but just so you know upfront, we are not hunting for these leads for quality for advertisers, we are hunting for them to create profit in the networks which payout.

thank you

 

Like other,even i do not support these kind of leads,please do not spoil affiliate industry.uYou asked for opinions got it on this thread.

 

Yes, I got it... it shows me how naive some of dp is... LOL little did you know it's affiliate networks that really do this behind the scenes all day.

 

clifford i remember you man from way back in the day! i used to read your books back in elementary school ROFLWAFFLE.

no but seriously, its just not a good idea anymore.

 

haha ya clifford the big red dog I remember him as well... boy did I want a dog that big

you've inspired me to change my icon to a 'redder' icon lol

Okay guys, I'm hearing it, you don't think the service is a good idea because you're worried about whether or not the networks will ban you, well only speaking from experience I have never been banned from a network (other then epn who is the harshest network on earth) for my incentivized leads, but I'll definitely heed your words... I'll just continue to work one on one with networks for the time being.

Thanks for the feedback everyone

 

So you got a bunch of people's EPN accounts banned, and now you want to do the same for their other network accounts? Whether you made good on their investments you still got them banned. Refunded some or all of their money doesn't bring back their EPN accounts.

What happened to the second scheme you had going where you asked people to invest $2500 each? Did that not work out that you are now willing to sell $1.00 leads?

These aren't incentive leads and even if they were most programs don't allow for incentive leads. At least not the good ones.

No, you are signing up these leads yourself and they are fake. That is why you got so many people banned from EPN. You tried pawning off the excuse that EPN doesn't know what its doing and they were considering "low" quality leads. They were fraudulent leads and that is why people got banned.

 

Its not a good idea. Almost all those educational and insurance leads where you fill out a form aren't allowed to be incentivized. Sooner or later the advertisers are gonna figure out something is up when they see that close to 0% of those leads convert.

Even if no one gets banned, stuff like that just causes the advertisers to take down their offers and hurt those who generated legit leads.

 

Hi, the reason epn was banning accounts is because of 'low quality', we had a epn rep look into the leads, he said they were NOT considered fraudelent leads, like you say, he said they were just low quality (meaning the items they bought were all under a dollar), NOBODY got banned through commision junction, absolutely NOBODY... So your argument is sort of stall. EPN accounts can be recreated easily, you just need to have a corporation. very simple... but thats only for serious business people, not noobs.

Umm as for the diamondniche 'scheme', it is up and running still, and while the success has been slowly building(it is a completely whitehat program built all on seo and promotion), it takes time for a project like that to unravel, because there is more labor involved, such as article writing, seo work, etc.

lol, thank you for your opinion though

 

You know, you guys need to stop acting like you own networks. You don't see the backend of things, this is not how it works.

I used to work as a call representative, leads are sent to call centers, on long sheets of paper, in which the users info is put down, the online advertisers are not usually judging on back-end conversion they're judging on traffic/conversion ratio.

Anyways, I'm not saying you can send 5 million leads to one offer and no one picks up the phone and you expect to get paid. Of course not! What I am saying is there is no big monster advertiser complaining all day and asking to ban you. Its not how it works. I know this from working closely with networks. Networks want you to earn, and advertisers are giant mega corporations... they don't care much about you or your family, they're busy chopping down rainforest's while you're trying to figure out how to put $50 in your account.

I'll say it again, and please, everyone take note this time, if you feel its wrong to provide incentive leads that'll pay YOU in the end, then don't do it! use incentive offers! very simple

thanks for the feedback