Homosexuality

It seems like every thread here devolves into a discussion of homosexuality.

Because of this, I am starting a thread just to talk about homosexuality.

Here are my thoughts regarding homosexuality.

Homosexuality is an affliction which affects approximately ten percent of humans. It is not new, but has been with us for as long as we have been humans.

My use of the term affliction is going to immediately cause some of my readers to fly into a mindless rage, but please hear me out if you can.

I count several homosexuals among my friends. I treat them like any of my other friends, because they are like any of my other friends. We all have our own problems. Some of us are fat, some are alcoholics, some are lazy, one of us has only one testicle.

It just doesn't matter. No one is perfect. We don't have to be. We're just us.

I am color-blind, near-sighted, night-blind, diabetic, overweight, underclued, and I have the social skills of a pocket calculator.

Do my friends tease me merciliessly about these numberous affilictions which are beyond me control?

Well duh, of course they do! We're guys.

Do we tease our homosexual friends about being homosexual? Well duh. Just like we tease our friend the minister for being a minister or our Italian friend for being Italian.

I do not believe that homosexuals choose to be homosexuals. I have known too many men who were homosexuals who would have given anything to become heterosexual. They are good men, or they would have taken the easy path and simply lied.

I also do not believe that homosexuality can be cured. This may change in the future, but at this point all "cures" seem based around lying to yourself and others. If there ever is a cure, it should be 100% voluntary. Not everyone will want to be cured.

Do I feel sorry for my homosexual friends. Of course I do, in the exact same way as I feel sorry for my friends with any other personal problem. Do I look down on them for being homosexual? Of course not, we all have our own personal problems.

I am an Athiest, so I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. I couldn't tell you what I would believe if I were a member of one of the thousands of possible religions.

I do not believe that homosexuality should be treated the same as heterosexuality. Heterosexuality is a positive social norm. Remember, I am an Athiest. Above all else, I worship evolution. Evolution requires heterosexuality. Homosexuality is an abberation, like webbed feet or this useless appendix I'm carrying around.

I do not endorse or condone discrimination against anyone for their sexual preferences, be it members of the same sex, costumes, role playing, gymnastics, toys, bondage, or any of the millions of kinky weirdnesses that we humans seem to enjoy.

I also don't want to see it in public. If I don't know you, I don't want to know that you are a homosexual. In the same manner, if you like to dress up like a priest and have sex by candlelight, I also do not want to know. And most of all -- I don't want you to do it in public. Very very few humans are attractive enough for me to enjoy watching them engage in sexual activity.

Is there a double standard? Sure, why not? Heck, there is a quadruple standard. A heterosexual couple can kiss in public and it's OK. A homosexual couple? Hmmm... that's not attractive -- not in any way. A lesbian couple. If they are ugly, it's still not OK. If they are hot, mmmmm.... mmmmm... mmmmmmm... I can't help it. I'm a guy. Do the math. The more hot chicks in the view, the happier I am. Two dudes making out -- zero hot chicks -- no positives. Do it in public and you may have to deal with the smell of my warm vomit.

Should we protect our children from seeing homosexuality? Why not? Don't we also protect them from seeing BSDM and all of the other sexual oddities that adults sometimes enjoy? We also turn our childrens heads away from fatal car crashes. This does not mean that we are prejudiced against car crash victims, it means that we do not want our children exposed to that part of life until they are ready.

On the topic of children, every parent wants their child to grow up heterosexual because it is in our genes to want to reproduce. If it does not go that way, we still love our children. But we never wish for it to happen, any more than we would wish for our children to have diabetes or male pattern baldness.

Does seeing homosexuals predispose children to homosexuality? Absolutely not. Sexual preferences are hard-wired at such a deep level in the human brain that they are effectively unchangeable, for good or for ill. If you are heterosexual, imagine how difficult it would be for you to become homosexual. Think about that for awhile and then consider that it is equally impossible for a homosexual to become heterosexual. Nothing is going to change the sexual orientation of our children, not even the California Board of Education.

I am out of steam. If you are still reading at this point, your personal kinkiness is... masochism.

 

For the most part I think it's genetic. I wouldn't say it's 10%...more like 1%. I live in the bay area, the center of homosexuality. I must say there's a lot of people that I've met in my life that have been rumored to be gay but didn't normally practice that sort of life. I've grown to believe there are cultural trends that make people believe they should try it out, both for women and men...I do not believe this is a natural or good thing to do.

If your truely gay, I don't think you can change.

As far as marriage goes, I don't believe in state marriage...even for heterosexuals, so why would I support gay people.

I have some worries about children being raised by a gay couple...maybe it's about nothing, but I wonder if there's any real negative effects. I guess it can't be any worse than some normal parents.

I amount it to a defect in human genetics. Like bad vision or retardation...if you've had it since your childhood, chance it won't disapear. I have no real moral feelings about it,....although at my age it's quite disturbing how many people will approach me (to hit on me), and sometimes I don't wish to remain civil. When I was younger it didn't mean anything, now it gives me a conception that they're no better than most heterosexual males when chicken hawking a lady. Frankly I find it disguisting.

The gay culture is a whole different topic. Put simply, gay people can behave normally or they can act like a dumbasses. If anything, most straight people dislike the culture that floats around the gay culture...they can deal with gay people that behave normally.

 

Will that is such a long rambling post I nearly fell sleep reading it. But I am opposed to homesexuality though.

 

Will, interesting point of view, I will correct something you said about yourself. I thought you were agnostic?

Now Will, since you have exposed yourself for all to see, do you hate or have disdain for a group of people? In otherwords are you a homophobe? (wanting to clarify before I see the YOYO who posts the exact same thing in every thread - This message is hidden because yo-yo is on your ignore list. )

 

Who are we to tell people how to act as long as they are not harming each other or the general public?

 

Will, that post was beautiful! Almost makes me want to try it out.

 

And how long have you been with your wife? Has she never questioned your ability to not "try it out"? Is she jelous of the others who take her place? No wonder you have no kids................




(oooo- burn)

 

Who are you to tell anyone how to act as long as they are not harming anyone or the general public?

lol

Most people against the gay-life aren't harming anyone, they're just voicing an opinion.

Thus your name?

 

Just as long as you aren't trying to tap my pooper, I could care less what you are your "partner" do.

Somebody needs to help my wife pick out new blinds for our living room, I am sure glad there are gay men to help with such tasks as I have no interest in that.

 

Now that was just the most ignorant post yet, to be so homophobic to not allow entry!?!?!? what is wrong with you, next you will say something like "exit only" how offensive is that!?!? geesh..

And then to top it off with saying gay men are good with blinds! Not all are, just look at peewee herman, michael jackson, and ellen degenerate, they each have their own talents!!! ignorance run rampant!! When will it stop!

 

No, but they are good with style. All the gay men I know are great with style and art. I do not currently know any lesbians, so I will not make any sweeping stereotypes on them.

 

Will, I don't believe sexuality is as black and white as you describe.

If you look toward the East in places such as Thailand where folk are more free to explore their sexualities you will notice a wide spectrum of sexual orientations.

It certainly isn't as clear cut as homosexual or heterosexual.

Social conditioning does a good job at making it as black and white as that for obvious reasons, but that will change in time.

If you left humans un-tamed and wild, you would see alsorts of odd sexual behaivour: Insestual, homosexual, hetero etc. Don't you believe we are taught by society that anything other then man/woman is not 'normal', therfore we don't explore or act on desires or 'peverted' thoughts. In the wild, nothing would hold us back.

Often some little boys can display openly and very sexual behaivour toward their mothers - humping their legs, etc. In some cases it's a big problem! Does this mean they are gay or straight or have desires to be sexual with their mothers? What does it all mean. They will be told to stop it and fall inlign with the rest of society.

There are studies that show the most 'macho' of men (self-proclaimed by themselves) often find themselves aroused when watching gay porno. I believe this is the main reason most men would out-right refuse to watch or be subjected to watching homosexual displays even in the name of Science or for money - simply because it may reveal something deep inside of them.

At the end of the day, without our bollocks and the testosterone.. what are men, anyway? We have nipples!

Obviously many factors effect ones sexual orientation but I don't believe it's black and white at all.

Some men look feminine but are very man-like in their demeanor and behaivour.
Some men look very masculine but are attracted to fella's sexually.
Some men may look feminine or masculine but feel they are women inside.
Etc etc.

The same goes for women. There's a whole range of sexual orientations and people out there. Perhaps more like 60% of people aren't exactly absolutely-straight, but with society how it is, how are we ever going to really know?

Pete

 

No way! I used to work with a gay dude who wore the worst clothes you could ever imagine. Picture a suit made out of sweat pants material...light blue w/ white gym shoes. It was either that or a tight-ass Mickey Mouse sweatshirt everyday!

 

Yup, just trying to get people fired up.

Dont know if this is NASCAR or not, but I assume this would make for some rather dissapointed rednecks...

 

I wanted to be a day gay so I could go to all the fun parades they have but my wife wouldn't let me.

 

There is no doubt that all people are born with certain tendencies. We are not perfect from the time Adam decided to disobey God. So our imperfection can have us lean one way or the other in all matters of life.

The question is, do we have the right to decide what’s best or do we look to a higher authority that has the right to guide us. That is the question that most humans have been pondering, fighting, debating for 6,000 years.

Here is the question: Does man have the right to rule, or does a Creator who made humans in the first place? This question was posed in the Garden of Eden by Satan thousands of years ago. What was Gods reply? Ok, let the classroom experiment begin, and I shall not interfere except as regards my purpose.

Satan has used false religion (almost all religion you see today); corrupt governments, divination, and many other means to bring people to his side of the argument. And he has been very successful.

God has allowed time for this question to be settled down to our day, by not interfering with mans free will, nor the political system of things.

With so-called freedom from theocracy, is the world a better place? Can man create laws that protect society without infringing on someone’s rights?

The answer to Big D is obvious. Man, involved in whatever pursuits that are not in harmony with the scriptures, has failed miserably. The news projects a minor reflection of that reality.

Religion is responsible for killing innocent men and women in the name of God and the bible says that he will destroy all religion for its sins at Armageddon.

The clergy of the world have been in bed with the governments, and the criminal element. But remember this is not what the bible teaches. So if the bible doesn’t teach these things where does this disregard for God come from, even though they claim to know God and claim to represent him?

Ahhhh, back to the experiment by Satan.

So here is the deal with everything in life; you may be born with homosexual tendencies, but you don’t have to act on them. Free will, free choice!

You may have a tendency to lie a lot, but you don’t have to lie. Free will, free choice!

You may be predisposed to alcoholism, but you don’t have to drink. Free will, free choice!

You may prefer to have sex with children, but you don’t have too.

And really when you think about it, man has created tens of thousands of laws to keep man inline so that society in general can prevail. Yet, an example of the most extreme lack of freedom is modern day living.

Think about it? Why would there be laws against having sex with kids if it somehow was not harmful? Why are there laws against rape? Why are there laws against steeling? Why are there laws period?

Answer: Man must have guidance in order to survive as a species.

So that brings us to the original question: Who has the right to decide? If you choose man with its proven track record…well you know.

God hates homosexuality for what it does to a man and the consequences of their behavior is evident. What good can come from condoning something harmful?

It doesn’t mean you spit at them or hurt them in any way. It means you win them over with logic and reasoning and love.

My sister has been a lesbian for 25 years and she has finally given up the behavior. Was it hard yes! What it a test of her metal? Yes! Will she always have to fight her inborn nature? Yes! But she is doing it of her own free will and for the right reasons. And no preacher had anything to do with it.

She has been in the lifestyle for most of her natural life and she has come to recognize its danger.

If you love someone and they drink too much or smoke too much, do you not yearn for them to quit what is harmful?

I am not a hater of homosexuals because they are men. I hate homosexuality because of what it does to their lives, the consequences of their actions.

End of rant


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I have a couple homosexuals in my family, all of them became homosexual (I believe) as a result of childhood abuse.

 

Yes that's the most usual way an invidual goes gay.