Iran Or Isreal? Who Will Be The Victory?

i trust our [US] inteligent services not iranians . They have concluded that iran have stopped their weapon program and untill our [US] inteligence services change their conclusion i accept that iran has stopped its nuclear weapon program.
iran does not have enough refinery and it is logical that they would want to get some power from nuclear. also i belive they have their own deposits of uranium so this would be a good source of income for them to supply enriched uranium for extra financial benefit.

 

Even US president contradict this report.
About the energy - Oh come on you make yourself believe this bullshit? "they don't have enough refineries" - what is harder to build? refineries or nuclear reactors?

 

Iran for sure as Israel will lose too much...

Yes, really its not a country...its just forcely occupied state by power...even that dozens of countries even not accepted it as a nation.

 

no he does not. he talks about enrichment which is something totally different. as a matter of fact i don't think any other source say they have a weapon program now.

 

So you do buy the bullshit that this is only for "peace intentions". Sorry to tell you my friend but you are naive.

letsjoy -
sooner or later, Israel will win the war, and I want your response in the festive thread that I will open. mark my words.

 

intentions is not a weapons program. We should reach an agreement that will allow us full extensive 24/7 observation of their facilities.
israel win the war! there is not going to be any war.
here is why. there is no weapon program so there is nothing to attack. and if you attack their reactors, sure as shit they are going to make one in a year or two
any way i think US and iran will come to an understanding very soon if they don't have one already. just open your eyes. you'll see the signs.

 

I support diplomats moves as long as it possible. As far as I know, the deadline is getting close. When we will reach the deadline, Israel will attack, with US help or not, BECAUSE IT'S OUR ONLY OPTION if the diplomat moves fails.

 

Assume for a minute that Israel does have proof of an Iranian nuclear weapons program. Assume further that the proof is accurate.

If Israel has evidence of Iran working to build nuclear weapons do you think they should sit back and just hope for the best?

 

a-there is no weapon program. Israelis have nothing
b-if israel does not have an actionable intelligence yes. they must know exactly where the production facility is located. otherwise it is going to have a negative result. i explained this already.
edit:
c-did we have a the right to attack china? no. does israel have the right to attack iran?no
does iran have the right to attack israel? no.

the point of diplomatic negotiation is to reach an acceptable compromise. i think what i proposed is this acceptable compromise.
after that we should try to improve our relationship with them.
edit: i think we can even live with a nuclear iran as we have done with bigger adveseries but we should try to normalize our relationship

 

I don't think you know what the word assume means. You just declare that Iran has no weapons program as though your lay opinion or my lay opinion has any value. That is why I asked to to make an assumption.

How big is your intelligence gathering operation that you think you know more that the State of Israel?

"if israel does not have an actionable intelligence yes."​

I have no idea what you are trying to say here. The only question posed was based on the premise that Israel has evidence of Iran's efforts to obtain nuclear weapons. I don't think any reasonable person thinks Israel is going to just randomly attack sites that have no value.

 

it is not my opinion. it is the collective opinion of US intelligence agencies. I am also positive that they are in total communication with israelis and did consider their opinion before reaching their conclusion. It is also obvious that israelis have nothing that can change their opinion.for example the location of weapon program. I wish you would differentiate it from our lay opinion.

@Ohad care to shed some light as possible targets that israelis are considering?

 

Israel is U.S backed, so Iran would not even have a chance!!

 

pizzaman, If the diplomat attempts will fail, Israel will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities (You think we don't know where those facilities are? We can listen to Naser and Hussein talking with each other on the phone in the middle of the Six days war).

 

@Ohad israel only knows where the iranian peaceful nuclear facilities are. if you knew of a weapon program you could convince our intelligence. As i said there is no known weapon program. but you have bad politicians trying to get us to attack iran.

 

You don't know what Israel know or don't know. If you need some proofs about our intelligence ability I can show you.
I agree that we have bad politics but those are the politics who are against attack in Iran.

 

if they had any evidence they would be in Washington trying to convince our people.
it is very obvious that you have nothing.

 

Time will tell.

 

as of now we have to belive that you have nothing. now let me ask you this.
do you support your country attacking iran without knowing the location of their nuclear weapon program? and if yes, what do you think should be the target
heck one more question.
if you were in their place would you start a nuclear program? and why?

 

you don't have to believe that, you chose to believe that because you are naive.

1. There is a lot of facilities that even you and I know where they are. Like the reactor in Bushar. moreover, we do know where the secret facilities are, I am sure of it.
2. If I was Ali Haminai (it means: Islamic brainwashed extremist that called Israel "virus"), so yes, I would run nuclear program to destroy Israel and "heretics".

 

Pizzaman do you seriously think that The US or Israel make all of their intelligence known to the public?

You just parrot the same thing over and over again as if you know the actual facts. Have you ever considered that to keep the Iranians off guard, the US and Israel are not publicly telling people they know exactly what Iran is up to and where they facilities are? Do you think the US releases our best intelligence publicly allowing Iran to know everything we know?

That was why I asked you to make an assumption other than your opinion - something you appear incapable of doing. And thus, debating this issue with you is pointless.

We will just have to wait and see.