American contractors randomly shooting cars and killing civilians in Iraq

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by gauharjk, Jul 30, 2008.

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Is an American life more valuable tan Iraqi life?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

    18 vote(s)
    58.1%
  1. webwork

    webwork Banned

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    #41
    So what percentage would you say of the Muslim population is considered a terrorist?

    1, maybe 2% ??
     
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    bfebrian Peon

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    #42
    do you tell your kid that all muslims are terrorists?
     
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #43
    I have no idea, I have never thought about it or quantified it. I judge people on their acts, not their religion.

    Of course not. Why would I lie to my kid?
     
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    lightless Notable Member

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    #44
    Most kids are smarter than some think. They are not gonna go unload on all people of a certain religion.
     
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    #45
    I actually just watched the videos, Gauharjk. The video title is "RON PAUL 4409 -- Contractors blowing the heads off babies!"

    I have to say, I didn't see anything in this video remotely proving anything other than one car load of people was shooting at various other cars, behind them. No babies, pedestrians, etc. I am not disputing anything, certainly not justifying senseless, unjustifiable shootings, as much as I'm saying what in this video leads anyone to confirm who is shooting, and who they are shooting at? Am I missing something?

    If anything, what I have seen seems to point to a British Security firm - "Aegis Defence Services," a private, British, security services firm.****

    http://www.videosift.com/video/Trophy-video-exposes-private-contractors-shooting-Iraqi-Civilians

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegis_Defence_Services#Trophy_videos

    I sure wish to hell I could see the data and arguments leading to a conclusion of justifiable use of force, but I won't discount it out of hand, either. Basically, we can know nothing by these videos.

    ****One very big reason, by the way, I am decidedly not cool with the notion of ending the national military and police forces, and replacing them with private, for-profit enterprises. I think if the notion of a militarized world is bad now, imagine a world of nothing but private security contractors.
     
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    damian.hoffman Peon

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    #46
    Northpoint - I pulled this from the article Grim linked to on the first page:

    Two of the biggest dangers in Iraq are IED's and suicide car bombers. The video doesn't provide much context, but it's reasonable to assume the cars being shot at were deemed a threat. I'm not trying to excuse the actions if they actually were shooting at civilians. However, there's also very little evidence of anyone being hurt in these shootings. The strongest case you could possibly make that anyone was hurt (civilian or otherwise) is the one instance of the car crashing into the taxi. One of the other cars they were shooting at, the driver actually exits the vehicle after it stops on the side of the road.
     
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    #47
    Yep, I thought so as well, Damian - but what does seem troubling to me is that if these guys warranted lethal force, why did the car continue on after taking the "perp's" car out? They fired on the cars, but in each instance, they continued down the road...unless they were, in each instance, in a hot area and were just hightailing it to safer ground, this just seemed weird, to me. But, agreed, the videos don't show anything in the way of culpability.
     
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    arena84 Well-Known Member

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    #48
    i heard some theories that the one that do car bomber is not either sunni or syite (2 groups in Muslims). its done by American guys (somebody who got death sentence). hmm..the result is those 2 groups keep pointing finger each other......the country will never be peaceful..
     
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #49
    It's Shiite not 'syite', the two groups do not get along if you've done any research it's not hard to see. The theory that it's American guys with death sentences is simply 'out there'
     
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  10. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #50
    Looks like another failed anti-American propaganda attempt by the OP.

    Kudos to those who exposed the lies and jeers to those who assisted in helping perpetuate them.
     
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    arena84 Well-Known Member

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    haha sorry my spelling..
     
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