Who is your favorite president of all Time?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Germz, Jul 1, 2008.

  1. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #41
    Based upon.... what?
     
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  2. Germz

    Germz Peon

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    #42
    His proposals.
     
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  3. guerilla

    guerilla Notable Member

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    #43
    Such as which ones?
     
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  4. Germz

    Germz Peon

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    lightless Notable Member

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    #45
    Promises and proposals are no good, they can be broken or remain unfulfilled.
    It will only be after his presidency, if he becomes president, that he can be evaluated.
    Let him prove his mettle first. Many a slip between the cup and the lip.
     
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    guerilla Notable Member

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    #46
    I'm familiar with Obama's platform. The question is which ones have led you to believe that he will be a better President than Lincoln, Eisenhower, Reagan etc.

    I am interested by your idea that Obama could create 5 million new jobs. Do you think another Presidential candidate like McCain could not create the same 5 million new jobs with the same strategy?

    It seems to me that Obama's proposals could be implemented by anyone.

    And secondly, do you really believe that the government is a better business man than entrepreneurs in the market place? I'm curious, because government doesn't seem to be very good at business, and yet you seem to think that it can create 5 million new jobs that the market is currently not providing, either because there is no demand, or there is no profitability in it.

    So my question was, do you believe Obama is a better businessman than say the top 100 businessmen in America?
     
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  7. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #47
    LOLOLOL

    Ohh yeaaah, maybe Obama can also make mandatory "tropical shirt day" at every job too. Free coffee on fridays. Free gas. Free house. Free car. Free jobs.

    Wouldn't it be so neat if eventually, our brains were just put in jars, but we were still alive, and the government could come to our house and entertain and feed us, just sprinkle some powder in the brain jar like how you feed a fish. That would be so neat!
     
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  8. Germz

    Germz Peon

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    #48
    Nope he is not. And I also believe that as you said,

    That those presidents did not go through what obama has gone through.

    And I don't know why this thread turned into the "Obama won't be a good president thread" when it clearly only asks for your favorite president so really no one here should be debating about who the best president is.
     
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    #49
    Obama isn't the president yet. One cannot give a 100% guarantee as to his presidency either.
     
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    #50
    Germz is a good kid that supports Obama. He just wanted to know was everyones the favorite president. I chose Reagon.
     
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  11. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

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    #51
    What exactly did Obama go through that is more validating than say, the supreme commander of the Allied forces during WWII?

    Also, what does this have to do with the role of the president? Why isn't Rocky Balboa president?
     
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    #52
    Because he is a fictional character.

    However, the Terminator is my Governor.

    I think his unofficial slogan was "Vote for me if you want to live" ;)
     
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    #53
    arabic country's can only ruled by power this is the only system to suite the arabic ppl
     
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  14. Germz

    Germz Peon

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    #54
    What do you mean can only be ruled by power samehozen?
     
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    #55
    I think he means might makes right? UAE has the right idea in my estimation. They are focused on building a beautiful, sustainable country with a strong diverse economy and good education. Education will be the measuring stick by which nations fail or rise.
     
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    #56
    I'm trying to understand that statement. Can anyone explain?
     
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    #57
    I think homebiz is saying that were it not for slavery, many good people - valuable members of our society, the descendants of slaves - would not have been in America. It's a fair point, though difficult for me to place alongside the cataclysm that was slavery itself.

    I actually had the opportunity to deepen my understanding of this period, a couple of summers ago, pursuing work in quantitative methods of historical analysis, through the Univ. of Michigan (ICPSR). I got to see the source material on the slave trade - the logbooks from the ships, the probate records in America, a concrete image from exodus in Africa to arrival in the Americas. I will never forget the last image of free air seen by so many men, women and children of the Gold Coast (the area I looked at pretty closely), and will forever mourn the agony these innocents endured.
     
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    #58
    I guess my view is many good people came here without the help of the slave trade. It seems like a stretch to say that, "were it not for slavery", those same good people wouldn't have made it to this "melting pot". However, I can appreciate the viewpoint and the willingness to have the conversation. I think this world would be better if we all were more sensitive to others perspectives.
     
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    #59
    Oh, sure, I'm with you. If I haven't agreed with homebiz on much, however, it was just an apt and interesting observation, in my opinion.

    It is an interesting question to ask - what if no slave trade? To Homebiz's positive - the very people who descended from them - I'd have to add an additional, overwhelming negative, however, which is obvious: the blight on our history, and the legacy stemming from it. That Britain and the other hosting countries haven't suffered the same, seems to me, is the ability to dodge the hypocrisy by saying it never took place on home soil, as it did here.

    (Musing, now, as I'm thinking, I am curious about the institutional effects elsewhere - South America, the Islands, within North and Subsaharan Africa itself, the Middle East - another topic...)
     
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    #60
    Franklin D Roosevelt, a great economic president.
     
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