Europe vs. U.S.A.

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  1. ShaneC

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    #61
    The stoppage is because every NFL play is a full on 100% sprint, or at least 100% exertion of energy. It's a game that is meant to be explosive.

    How many Rugby players do you know that can jump over a 66inch bar with only a few steps of take off with the measurements of 6'3 230? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vL19q8yL54&feature=related

    Again I respect both sports, Rugby is one tough sport :). Athletes of both sports are willing to put their bodies on the line for entertainment.
     
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    #63
    And how does this further the argument that American football is a superior sport. I think we all agree is doesn't and it isn't. There are numerous instances from rugby or soccer anyone can cherry pick to try to illustrate its superiority over its less popular American counterpart, but it serves no purpose to do that.

    Following your line of "argument" you might look to JPR Williams, the Welsh rugby player. In an international game (the concept of which might seem alien to anyone whose concept of sport is based on NFL "football") he had his face stamped on by an opponent. At half time, he stitched up his own face (he was a doctor) and came on to play the full second half. I've never seen an example to rival that in an NFL game, yet it happens every week on the rugby pitch, and we all treat it as if nothing happened.

    Don't get me wrong, the NFL is a great spectacle with many great athletes who excel in short bursts, and a wonderful choice for anyone who has to choose between that, baseball and basketball. ;)
     
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    #64
    It was the argument of superior athletes.

    Ronnie Lott a former NFL had a finger basically explode in one game. I mean literally pieces of his finger were strewn through the grass. He went to the locker room, got a amputation through the middle of his finger, and came back to play. :) Bones are broken, and people are knocked out every NFL game.

    For the point of physicality, Hockey beats them both. The hardest hits I've seen of any sport come from Hockey. Players get hit in the face with pucks going 100+, and get slammed in unforgiving boards/glass. They get stitched up, and come right back out. Not to mention their season, not including playoffs, is 82 games.

    For which is a better sport is a impossible argument, everyone, especially coming from different sides of the Atlantic will have their own opinion. I grew up watching my awesome, exciting, mind boggling sports, you grew up watching your boring ones. JK hahah.
     
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    #65
    Actually, on one side you're seeing two brainless oafs bounce off one another, while on the other side you're seeing two athletes engage in a game of intelligence, skill and creativity.

    You should never bother trying to compare football and American football, dude; it'll be you against the world.
     
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    #66
    Why don't we thrown the UFC in this thread. it's a sport :)
     
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    #67
    It never seems to happen in the games I see. ;) By the way, how long does the NFL season last? I was told it was only two months, but I cannot imagine athletes of that calibre playing such a derisorily short competitive season.
     
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    #68
    Those wusses wouldn't stand an earthly chance against real boxers! :rolleyes:
     
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    #69
    The NFL " regular season" lasts from September to January, and teams basically play every Sunday during that time, which comes to 16 games without playoffs. "Preseason" (basically exhibition, and preparation) lasts the whole month of August. However, the players pretty much train year around.
     
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    #70
    Of course EUROPE !
     
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    #71
    Not true. Some of them are boxers. Each UFC fighter has his own fighting style and could be multiple styles. Lets throw in Jessica Alba in this thread to(Shes hot). Theres easily 10,000 threads that mention her.

    Also, lets throw in Chuck Norris. He can defeat a brick wall at tennis. :p
     
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    #72
    I know, I was being a shade sarcastic since all threads here seem to devolve in to amateur pissing matches. However, it was quite telling to see Tommy Morrison go up against a lump from the UFC. Morrison caved said lump's hooter in with the first punch of the fight and it had to be stopped on the spot. Some of them may have tried their hand at real boxing, but UFC is usually where they end up when they realise they cannot make it as a real boxer.
     
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    #73
    I don't watch football but I have watched a few games. But basically in football a lot of bones are broken. Some so bad you have to quit your football career. Sometimes bones are even broken in Baseball and even balls hit you at 100mph ( which has happen).

    anyways were the same. You'll find your fat, rich, poor, ugly, beautiful, a** hole, people all over the world!
    But the internet would be boring if everyone realized that.
     
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    #74
    Both have their own importance...But Europe is like Rainbow :D
     
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    #75
    oh yeah, this is a big difference btw them. haha~:D
     
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    #76
    The linemen are mountains of muscle covered with layers of fat. I don't imagine you would find one that could bench press under 400lbs/180kg and many bench press in the 500s while some in the 600s and even into the 700s.(http://www.criticalbench.com/Larry-Allen-Bench-Press.htm)
    Their job is to be huge and strong and to be able to block people(other huge, strong men) or move people to make lanes for other people like running backs to run through. Don't let the fat fool you, these men are in incredible shape for their size. The linemen (middle linemen especially) have to exert a huge amount of force and energy on every play. The outside linemen are lighter and quicker and I would put them up against any rugby player in comparable size in all around athletics, same with linebackers.


    American football has to be looked at as a series of small battles where the objective is to move forward by acquiring some of your opponents ground. I think it's much more of a linear sport than what the Europeans are used to. To be honest, when I watch hockey, basketball, soccer(football) or rugby all the players seem to be running around non-stop and mostly boundless like chickens with their heads cut off. I don't sense any real clear objective in the other sports the way that I do in American football.
    I like that in American football the parameters are more stringent and action is short lived. The objective seems much more focused and concentrated than in sports where players are running every which way on the field. In American football you fight a small battle, where most men do have a specialized job, you either gain ground or lose ground, then you regroup and start again. If you gain ten yards in four tries you get four more tries to try to advance the ball even further. The objectives are very simple but the strategies and tactics employed on each play seem very complex to me.
    The specialization of the positions implies or at least allows for greater complexity. Just as a species we have advanced our societies largely through the specialization of individuals, which has allowed greater complexity and greater advancement, the specialization of players on an American football field allows for complex strategies to be employed during each "battle".

    And let's not forget one other thing which may or may not be politically correct to talk about. American football players are like 75%-80% African American. African Americans are the best athletes in the world. Some say it's racist to point this out(I'm not sure why), but It's just a fact. Rugby players seem to be >80% white European descent. I think this is what accounts largely for the disparity in speed especially.
     
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    #77
    You mean black Americans*. To be a African American you have to be born in Africa and move to America. 80 percent of black Americans aren't even full African any more.
     
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    #78
    Who was the lump? Tommy Morrison would get slaughtered by a good UFC fighter.
     
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    #79
    Whatever you want to call them they are better athletes than us of European derivation. Especially in sports that involve running and jumping.
     
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    #80

    True. But you can't go to Africa and find this kind of talent. Most black people have white in them even though most hate to admit it. Theres a huge difference in face and shape between a black American and a African.
     
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