yes sure and when the serbs want to form their own country like the fake muslims or the separatist croats then the famous double standard kicks in ...when the serbs do not want to live with terrorist supporter separatist/nationalist franjo then its just double standard eh? croats can form their own country but serbs who do not like it must leave? LOL you are a funny guy with your "we wanted out , for reasons i cant even explain, so screw the 100.000-s that did not" ...i like how you pretend that yugoslavia was suffocating the oxygen you breathe and there was an immediate and pressing separatist emergency: GREED! oh and next time the muslims and croats want to form a nation be sure to stop speaking SERBIAN then you will maybe be accepted as a real nation and not just some separatists puppets...how funny is it that croats call serbian "the croat language" and that bosnians call serbian "the bosnian language" AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! some people in the balkans have a huge problem with history and the truth LOL what do you say to somebody who celebrates and is proud of 175.000 soldiers against 200.000 civilians? i know: AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA! but we should let parts of our country (yugoslavia) be taken by terrorist franjo and muslim alija? really? ...you were free to leave OUR country too? oh right heres where the famous croat double standard kicks in so it was out 12% minority that started it AHAHAHAAA! we planted bombs in the USA and hijacked planes like croats? LOL...your separatism/nationalism is well documented LONG before the war! only you dont know why you are such nationalists/separatists all you know is what was fed to you... and its so funny to me when somebody from a nation with such a nazi past calls anybody else a nazi...AHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!...like a german calling a jew a nazi LOL... yes franjo and alija did...we had everything and your separatists had nothing...you can dance around this all you want...you can pretend that you dont understand and you can reply with non related crap all you want...fact is: we already had everything... oh and can you imagine how funny it is to view a separatist claiming the war was not his fault? no this is just you avoiding my points so ill post them again: 1) you would be slaughtered by our serb minority? (12%) JNA and chetniks? when you say JNA youre talking about the JUGOSLAV NATIONAL ARMY the army of all slovenians/croats/bosnians/serbs/montenegro/macedonia fighting YOUR separatists? any army in the world will defend its country against separatists whats your point?...why would they just slaughter you and take your homes? OH I KNOW! franjo said so! AHAHAHAHAAAA and you accuse me of spreading false allegations BUT: the croat double standard: when the serb minority have fears of living under separatist/nationalist/terrorist supporter franjo then they are just tripping out...but when the croat majority trips out they will be murdered off by the serb minority (12%) then this is legit and needs to be urgently acted upon fact is alija and franjo got greedy and they cried mommy to honest bill clinton...im sure franjo and alija were honest and truthful about the REAL situation in yugoslavia LOL just like every refugee who wanted to immigrate to the west had a great story about how serbs killed his/her family so please give us a green card/visa LOL...the truth is the first victim of any conflict and im sure 2 small fragile and insecure puppet countries in the making like croatia and bosnia were full of truthfulness and honesty LOL the war in bosnia in a nutshell: serb speaking corats and bosnians decided their life would somehow be better if they pay tax to somebody else and to get this "independence" you have to make the other party look bad so that you look like you actually have a legit reason...
More greatoserbs propaganda... You don't have your own language therefore you are not nation therefore you must be serbs therefore your land is actually ours... During war in Bosnia Radovan Karadzic kept saying here exactly what you claim:"fake muslims". Your words are not much different than his. Instead of repeating same old chetniks propaganda you should stick to facts: we did not created new country. It was already there: SR Hrvatska. SR is for socijalistiÄka republika (socialist republic) so feel free to check what does "republic" stands for. You think if you repeat nonsense too many times it will become truth huh? Last time I've checked fact there was more than 40,000 serbian troops stationed in occupied parts of Croatia. It was not your country in first place but you simply don't get it. It was OUR COMMON country and ww had any right go on our own and it was right in constitution. You didn't denied that we didn't went against that constitution as I can recall. I will same thing about you: all you know is what was fed to you by greatoserbs and chetniks. Milosevic and his buddies Martic and Karadzic used same rhetoric to commit all those war crimes including genocide. How desperate you are in defending Milosevic shows your attempt to use terrorist act which happened more than 30 years ago as proof that we started the war and Milosevic has nothing to do with it. I am calling spade a spade and that's all. Do you have everything now? I guess not so let's try to figure out why Milosevic started the war... Ah yes! To try to keep everything by force! Who said 12% of minority would slaughter us? Ah yeah! YOu are claiming that serbs from Serbia wasn't involved at all.. Btw we didn't have fear at all, keep making things up. We started fighting when we already was attacked. Period. It wasn't like we were fed with propaganda how someone will massacre us so we should massacre them first but you know who was fed with that kind of propaganda. The fact is your opinion is far away from facts and you sound silly. After defending Milosevic now you start defending Karadzic too... Pacifist. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight!
you are not a nation...you dont have your own language you use ours...serbs are a real nation we have OUR language...its like montenegro was to say they speak montenegran ...as for fake muslims i dont seriously have to explain how ridiculous a fake muslim state is in the heart of europe do i? oh and you had your own greedy war with the muslims too remember? for gods sake they tried to install arabic as one of the official languages AHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! so if you had your own country "SR Hrvatska" what the hell was the reason for the war? OH RIGHT= you didnt actually have your own country and youre riding the surf of croat tito and his constitution and pretending like its all fair and square of the 200.000 civilians some of them happened to be men and in uniform and considering 175.000 croat soldiers were moving in to "spread peace" it was only natural that civilians have some protection? sorry to spoil any plans! occupied parts of croatia as in parts where serbs lived? parts where serbs cant proclaim their own country but you can? oh right the double standard again LOL you cant even recall the reason for your separatism you are unable to explain the urgency or need for a croat state at the expense of a bloody civil war...croat titos constitution is not a stong point to bring up... the croat terrorists from 30 years ago only prove milosevic was not the start of all evil...i never said milosevic was not guilty this is you trying to sound like you have a point by placing words in my mouth AGAIN... but you also call massive ethnic cleansing a great and proud national holiday so your perception of events is skewed to say the least... you crazy person LOL...do i have to steal my own TV for example? NO! because i already have my own TV!!!!!! now focus your brain cells: if franjo does not have his own TV does he have to steal one? (tip:YES!) ergo: when you have something you dont have to keep it by force unless somebody is taking it by force GET IT? history is not propaganda...your history is well documented...mainland serbia was not involved we did not draft anybody...some volunteers went to bosnia to fight but not many...you know why you kept vukovar and all your land: mainland serbia was under sanctions and threat from the UN...your "heroes" bullied our minority civilians for years during the war and finally with the help of the US and UN you won...you are all spartans to say the least you are the ones who have to explain how a 12% minority can steal your land or represent any sort of threat to your fragile fragile national identity and state? you never answered my question...yawn...why did croats find independence so important that they went to war over it? do any of you know? how were you being "restricted" or "suffocated" or whatever? what made you stab your countrymen in the back? IM SURE your crying mommy was COMPLETELY TRUTHFUL LOL...only you cant explain why you wanted out? after crack you start sniffing glue? where do i say "i defent karadzic or milosevic" or do you not see anything wrong with making wild claims about what somebody said? my point: franjos hands are just as dirty...now you go ahead and pretend that they are not and that i am
I see nothing but hate in your posts... I've already asked you once you didn't answer my question do you hate muslims but as I can see you are replying on that question now... I already told you who started the war and why. Again, we didn't proclaimed anything. State is already there and yes, parts of that state was under occupation but it is no longer. So the only problem with Tito is that he was a croat? Nah, you don't hate anyone... And where did I said that Milosevic was start of all evil? Again, we celebrate liberation of occupied parts of our country. Period. Again, read some history before posting nonsense. What you keep repeating is nothing but propaganda. A few volunteers went to Bosnia and that's all?!? I will not teach you history because it's not my job to do it. We were attacked so we defender ourself. We didn't stabbed anyone in back. Read some history. I said it so many times: one should just read your posts and he should know why we wanted out. Everyone can read nothing but hate against my nation and bosnian muslims from your posts. We should share a country with people who hates us? Maybe in some other life... You keep finding excuses for what Milosevic and Karadzic did and you keep repeating their propaganda. You defend them. Period.
Do you think somebody really care about your thoughts? It was a political war there. And it's not finished yet! Same for Iraqi. You make me laugh! I feel sorry for all. This is our world anyway...
I don't try to argue with nobody! Just a though. If you think this it's worthing your time... go ahead! Discuss.
You know people have habit to discuss things on discussion forums. I sometimes wonder are these forums got their names, discussion forums, because of it. funny. It's not like I care do you care about what I am discussing with those who wants to discuss about something with me. I am not forcing your to read my posts.
But your first thought wasn't anything like that at all! You clearly asked me do I think that someone care about my thoughts like I am forcing you to read what I said here. And now you flip-floped it! You see, there's discussion! It's not like I care do you care thou...
ok iggysick i agree with you i give up...croat separatists/terrorists/nationalists cant do any evil at all...when they decide to go to war, for reasons known only to franjo, then its ALL legit because croat Tito made the constitution... if anybody points out anything bad at all about croats he is clearly a croat hater and shame on him for pointing out the obvious...if anybody points out that yugoslavia was croat titos creation and now croats want out then its the serbs fault... if the biggest nation in yugoslavia: the serbs want their own country then they cant have it but if terrorist franjo wants it or muslim alija then its the most natural thing in the world AND they will continue to speak SERBIAN but they will call it "croat" and "bosnian"...no double standard at all... anybody who says anything about greed and mindless nationalism is just a karadzic and milosevic supporter and 175.000 soldiers were there to help the civilians move furniture it was not honest bill clintons fault nor was it terrorist/separatist franjos fault nor was it muslim alijas fault NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO they are mercy innocence angels sent from heaven to rescue the croats and muslims who speak serbian and live with serbs... croats have been murdering off serbs for 100-s of years yet you guys act like were the evil ones LOL and our history is "biased" and its all "propaganda" what can i say greed and fake pride go a long way when the insecurity sets in...
If you sum up the 20th century then the croats butchered more serbs than serb killed all the others together and there is still huge gap. Serbs were stupid to go along with Yugoslavia at the beginning but we all make mistakes. They gave up their territory because of greater good and paid the price. At the end only they could not make their own decision where should they live and almost half million of serbs were expelled from Croatia and lately from Kosovo and almost 50 000 killed. What is really ironic is that the only real multiethnic country of all the former Yugoslavian republic is Serbia with huge minorities while Croatia is ethnically clean, so is Kosovo and Bosnia is a story for itself with cut in half along ethnic borders. Now can someone please tell me how come serbs are bad guys and they are the only one with multiethnic country of all former Yugoslav republics ? Strange isn't it...but that is the end result...
When you are attacked you need a reason to go to war?!? What a logic... If Yugoslavia was "croat titos creation" and so bad why didn't your beloved Milosevic and part of your nation let us go out of it? On one hand your are in love with that country and now we see what you actually think about it... Again, noone created new country, they were already there. Read definitons: republic and federation. So now we have our own state you have your own and borders remained the same. You got nothing for starting the war so why did you started it? So that's your explanation why did Karadzic did what he did? That's your explanation for all war crimes commited including genocide? What some of them done does make those who did it bad guys: Srebrenica massacre Should I post the rest of it? I'm sure you are aware of all war crimes they did but as I can see you see nothing wrong in those crimes and you defend them. You know, "who can blame them".... But what you posting here was already written in Memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts. That memo lead to bloody wars during '90.s on Balkan and that's why you have excuses for those war crimes. "WHo can blame them..." you ask. Well, for start me and I have no doubt that majority of sane world can blame them.
Srebrenica is the stain with which serbs will have to live. Many of them are in prison because of war crimes. But you are doing excerpts from history and just putting out what is convenient for you when you push your agenda. The result of 20th century is that your countrymen butchered more serbs, men, kids and women than serbs did to all the others together and there is still couple of hundred thousands gap ! Yes croatians literally butchered hundreds of thousands serbs in the last 20th century. Read my post about the irony that Serbia is at this moment the only multiethnic country of all former yugoslav republics. I find this quite strange....don't you ? How come Hungarians, Romanians, Slovaks and more than 40 other nationalities live in Serbia peacfully when serbs are such monsters ? Can you find an answer for this ?
You are saying that one crime can be excused because of another. He killed my kid so I will kill his kid and that would make it ok. All you are saying here and all atvking saying is actally root of all evil in '90.s on Balkan. It is simply feding up people with hate so noone should be surprised because serbs did so many war crimes during wars on Balkan. You can't feed one nation with hate telling them for 50 years same story over and over again "croats slaugthered 1,000,000 serbs and muslim helped them and they didn't payed for their crimes","croats slaugthered 1,000,000 serbs and muslim helped them and they didn't payed for their crimes","croats slaugthered 1,000,000 serbs and muslim helped them and they didn't payed for their crimes" and so on and so on... They did itand got away with it! They must pay for it! And we did pay the price for something we didn't do it... Now you tell me: what all those innocent people that have been killed during wars have to do with croatian nazis crimes during WWII? Who said that serbs are monsters? You like to generalize, don't you? Ah yeah! You called entire nation "genocidal" so...
No that is not what I am saying. Man you are blind and don't even read. You just go out and put the words and your own interpretations into other peoples mouth. At the end you even say : " for the crimes they didn't do ". Sure serbs made collective harakiri. The one who feeds on hate here is you and only you. And threads that you opened in the last couple of days are solid proof of that. You thought everyone will jump onto your bandwagon and cheer "yes,yes,yes"... It is visible from the aeroplane you are looking for confirmation here in these threads. Pretty lame if you ask me. But I guess you were not asking the guys like me. Go to some crappy balkan nationalistic forum. I am sure you will find couple of your buddies there....
I siad what I said and it's a fact: for the crimes they didn't do it. Are you claiming that entire nation done genocide during WWII? Am I or my nation responsible for what nazi Ante Pavelic did during WWII? When comes to crimes commited against my nation you have another story: Why they aren't all in prison? Yeah, now you know who did crimes and all those people have their names but when comes to my nation... You considering my whole nation to be "genocidal" and yet you acusse me for hate!?! Uh! Oh! You have so twisted view of reality and real life. Pretty lame... Btw I opened one single thread in last couple of days but as I can see facts and truth is something that you can stretch as needed.
Yes you opened the thread where you search for confirmation of your doubts and you are all over defending yourself and your nation. I don't actually know why ? And you keep doing the same thing....putting words into other peoples mouth. You just go on and on and on with the same thing over and over and over again. Actually what you say people said is in your head and not here. You just don't get it. Now go and count everything not just excerpts that suit your agenda here. I am sure you will flush like red cancer while reading history of 20th century ! When you do a little research than come back and we can talk again. Have a nice day there
It's funny how you don't answer direct question and just go on with reapiting same old story. Is it hard for you to answer direct questions? Should I post them again? Why do you avoid to answer them? And I have no doubts at all. No nation can be "genocidal" and it's beyond any rational toughts to think something like that like you think. You said it and even here you defend what you said. Answer direct questions if you can. If you can't keep considering yourself "above" me. And I will repeat my main question again: what did innocent people killed by serbian forces during Balkan wars had to do with genocide commited by nazi Ante Pavelic and his regime? Want me to quote that question several more times? Do you want it in bold? Italic? Underlined?