Soldier shot bound Palestinian with rubber bullet

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And your image is 100% hate propaganda.
Your brain was washed, its official.

 

Yes, I believe if Israel and Palestine have definite borders, where none can interfere in each other's affairs, then there would be peace. But it seems more likely that there would be a One-State solution, as the prospect of a Palestinian state is almost nil.

Hundreds of settlements occupy land that was supposed to become Palestine. There are hundreds of "Jews-Only" roads that criss-cross the landscape of Palestine, where only settlers are allowed access. There is no border and the Apartheid wall a.k.a separation barrier, is not built on any border or the green line, but runs several miles inside Palestine, cuttiong off hundreds of villages from their firlds, water sources, schools, hospitals... Even entire villages are surrounded by this wall, effectively imprisoning the entire populations there... Qalqilya comes first to the mind.

 

Gauharjk, I agree that people should be treated with dignity and should not be denied a livelihood. The issues though with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are almost never black or white, there are always two sides to a story. This is the justification of the wall:

Read entire article

 

they can build 100 walls, but on their areas, not on Palestinian territories, to swallow more Palestinian lands, the wall, eats large areas of Palestinian lands, and it surrounds some of their towns almost completely, so is it really to stop terrorist attacks? or to satisfy the greed for more lands for settlers, and less Palestinians residents on their own lands cos the hard conditions it will create?

 

Rebecca, I understand what you mean. Palestinians have been brutal at times. But the kind of lives they have been forced to live, in ghettos, surrounded by all sides by hostiles, who come in at any moment, and bring destruction in their paths. These people have been under a military occupation for 40 years. More than one generation has not known what freedom means. They have been virtually under a prison. There are roadblocks, not just on the border between Israel and Palestine, coz there is no border, but also between cities, and also inside cities.

There are many good Israelis who work with B'Tselem and Peace Now. Ask them what the reality is about the wall.

I suggest you look at the article recently written by Paul Craig Roberts.

http://antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=13193

All this is very painful. Palestinians are equal human beings, and should be treated with dignity. They don't kill themselves coz they are some maniacs... No, they too have lives, they too have families, they too want to live a good life, own a home, buy a car, go on a vacation.. like all ordinary people. But their lives are living hell.

Peace can certainly be achieved, when Justice is served based on the principles of Equality.

About Paul Craig Roberts

 

Those are great question.

The Palestinians see it as greed to take more land and to create hardship.

The Israelis see as a means to stop violence.



I find it amusing that people that have never set foot in the Middle East throw out solutions without ever having been there. Traveling through the different countries in the Middle East is an eye opener. The way of life in the US is night and day compared to the way of life in the Middle East. I am not saying that one way of life is better than the other.

The news stations from different countries report the news as they see it and each station sees it different. I think the only means to a solution between Israel and Palestine is through peaceful negotiations. What is the solution imad?

 

It is just as amusing that so many will defend the actions of a those who are bent on killing the Jews because of religion, yet have no idea about the religions true nature and hatred of the Jews.

You are right - Different isn't better or worse. I enjoy much about the way of life in the USA, but when traveling I have come to respect other ways of life. Planning on moving to a country that is considered 2nd world - trash everywhere. It has some things I will have a hard time adjusting to, but I know I will be able to.

As long as someone isn't trying to kill me or my family (or others), I can respect and be respectful to their way of life.

 

without going into much details about why, and how? the two sides do not trust each other at all, peaceful negotiations, are good, but if they were really negotiations, not a show,

what do you call negotiations over the West Bank when settlements building and expanding is going on in West Bank? and no answer for the calls to stop it?

 

I find it amusing that a tourist would know more than someone who studied the area, or that lived there....

Stepping foot inside of another land makes you by no means an expert or more knowledgeable about a situation, no matter how many times you try to claim it does.

 

Hi Gauharjk
I don't have the opportunity to respond to your entire post right now, but a few things I wanted to comment on...

Gauharjk, I'm having a difficult time confirming this information, do you have any credible sources to prove this paragraph? First, I tried to search for that particular Washington Post article, and could not find it. Then, I went to Save the Children where they are supposed to be qouting from in the Washington Post article. On Save the Children, I did not see anything negative about Israel itself or the qoute listed, only the negative effects of children in war torn countries. Then I just took that qoute and scanned the whole thing in Google, but I'm not coming up with any credible websites that list it. I get Information Clearinghouse and a bunch of blogspots.

I actually am more aware of instances of Palestinians abusing Israelis, than the other way around. Hamas even publicly praised the killing in the recent bulldozing incident.(Where I believe, 2 babies were killed.)

This is another paragraph referring to qoutes made by Save the Children, that do not seem to exist. If I am wrong, please tell me where they are, I don't see them. Not trying to be difficult, Gauharjk, but where is the credible source for this?: On January 19, 1988, Israeli Defense Minister Yitzhak Rabin, later Prime Minister, announced the policy of "punitive beating" of Palestinians. The Israelis described the purpose of punitive beating: "Our task is to recreate a barrier and once again put the fear of death into the Arabs of the area." I checked here, but the most damning thing I could find was treatment of prisoners, which seemed similar to our guantanamo bay.

This one sounds really bad, I would like to read it in context. Unfortunately, I can't find that article either.

 

The articles being mentioned were old. Newsweek article from 1988 and Washington Post article form 1990. There was no internet at that time, so maybe there are no electronic archives going so far.

I found all this information on http://antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=13193 and the article has been written by Paul Craig Roberts, which is very reliable. You can check out the link, if you trust Antiwar.com

 

Unfortunately "there" is comprised of the most intractable, adamantine,
self-righteous zealots and, not to mention, designedly ignorant folk on the face of the earth.

They teach hatred, chauvinism and suicide in their schools. They keep their poor folk dumb and riled and use mentally retarded teenage girls as weapons to blow up public busses.

If there were no Israel to hate then it would be the Shi'ites to hate if you're a Sunni, or the Sunni's to hate if you're a Shi'ite. If you're lucky enough to live near India then you can hate the Hindus too.

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And around and around we go...

 

Gauharjk, I just wrote an email to Save the Children, and explained the situation. Hopefully, they will write back and shed some light on this. I have suspicions though that Antiwar has it's own agenda, and is using an old propaganda recipe. First, you take some propaganda, lightly season it with truth, and add a credible source to spice it up. For example, this qoute...

This statement, "the abuse of Palestinians' human rights is official Israeli policy. Killings, torture, and beatings are routine.", could be the antiwar.com writer's opinion or propaganda. Then he can add in the Save the Children qoute, making it seem like it is related to his first sentence. When in fact, Save the Children, may have never referred to the Israeli government at all, but just the violence in that area.

When/If Save the Children writes me back, I'll post it here.

edit: I just found out another thing about antiwar. Anyone can submit articles to them, hardly any guidelines, and they don't even pay. Probably not the best source of reliable information. http://antiwar.com/submissions.php

 

It is a professional organisation. It certainly has an agenda...

The website is run on certain principles. These people oppose illegal wars.

The writer of that article, Paul Craig Roberts, is an old timer on Antiwar.com. His credentials are...

He is not some ordinary roadside loafer. He knows what he writes. I believe his views should not be discounted so easily.

 

Who said tourist? Who said expert?




I guess if that theory holds true then, if a person watches a football game they can spew off expert knowledge more so than someone that got on the field and played.

I guess by watching world news tonight and posting in forums someone is more of an expert than someone that lived in an area working for 2 years.

If a person watched M.A.S.H. as a child I guess they would know more than someone that fought in the Korean War that was shot at, received wounds and killed enemy soldiers.

I guess Americans know more about Israel and Palestine then the people that live there. I guess by studying a book gives a person more knowledge than reality. The Authors view and opinions has got to be the truth because it is in a book.

 

I think it is silly to assume one way or the other. I am increasingly of the opinion that the only way to solve the dispute in Gaza is for everyone on both sides to suddenly become wiser, basically a miracle.

 

Being in a land makes one a tourist, you did not state anything about going to the lands for any real reason just being there.

Who said an expert? Well you've said it over and over and over that you believe just by being in a land that makes a person know more about the situation at hand, have you not?

Nope, your example is horrid.
#1 it would be more like the person at home watching versus the person in the stands watching. Or is the 'tourist' all of a sudden living in the country, apart of the government and local traditions for an extended period of time?

Many times those at home see more angles and get more info than the one sitting in the stands at a stadium. Even if you could use this horrible example it falls flat apart, sorry..

Just because someone lives in an area this makes them what? NOTHING if they do not follow a situation, it does not make them knowledgeable unless they look into history and facts. Hell a lot of those living in the US know pretty much nothing on many things in the US, hell I know this one guy who lives in the US who still thinks Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Know what I mean?

Wow your arguments are border line delusional. Mash is not a fact based show, a soldier actually in battle is also much different than a tourist in another country. Even if that tourist worked in the country for a year or two. Do you have even one example that makes any sense at all?

BTW most soldiers would not be experts on the subject, the true experts would be those who study the event, speak to multiple soldiers, etc, etc.

Again your arguments are simply dreadful.

You speak of someone simply being in the land, then you bounce to someone living there. Many times someone who lives in a land knows less than experts of their own land, from domestic or abroad. Such as the guy who thinks Saddam financed 9/11.

Come back when you have a decent argument would you?

 

I'm seriously questioning it, Gauharjk. He says,

He is insinuating that Israel has a policy of punitive beating, which includes children under 5. He is insinuating that it is Israel policy to beat children under 5, breaking their bones, in order to put the fear into arabs. Of course I would question that, especially when he is using Save the Children as a reference, yet it is not in their database. They keep their articles online, but as I mentioned, I emailed them to confirm. With the public outrage over the toe incident, Israel would have hell to pay, if it was their policy to make the rounds beating innocent children in a punitive beating program. How can you say, "He knows what he writes", when the only proof you have that his article is true, is that he says it is?

Antiwar says:

So, it is the Israeli policy to simply go into classrooms and start shooting innocent children? Really, gauharjk?

 

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You have no argument at all. Come back with anything.

I am going to read about heart surgery and open an office.

 

Homebiz, your point appears to be that only those having lived in this area, or otherwise have firsthand, direct experience of the issue at hand, have both the credibility and the right to post thoughts on that same issue. I'd have to respectfully disagree.

Everyday, across a multitude of issues, all of us make informed assessments of "truth" based on reliance on sources drawn from beyond our immediate senses. This issue is no different.