Cease-fire? NOT! The "Palestinians" kills each other

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    pizzaman Active Member

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    hello ohad how are you doing?
    you see how negotiation has achieved a better result. why not be happy with that. Israelis need to make sure that there is a viable democratic palestanian state in west bank and gaza and make sure they succeed. it is the best solution for israel. Let[support] your govt make peace.
     
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    Hi pizzaman, I'm fine, thanks.
    You and I both know that this cease-fire will bomb us in the face, because meanwhile the Hamas using the cease-fire for arming. But I'm happy for the people in Sderot and the villages around Gaza Strip for having some quiet (which is not quite true, more then 40 rockets and mortars laded in Israel in the "cease-fire").

    "Palestinian" country in the west bank - hell no. we discussed that before. "Palestinian" country in the west bank means expelling 444,000 Jews from their homes (Including East-Jerusalem).
     
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    i have seen these ideas about these weapons that palestanians are smuggling for years now but have seen them use very little or no sophisticate weapons. I also don't know how much they can bring in to make a dent in your military superiority. Of course this is not peace and should not be viewed as such.
    Other than these settlers what other things you see as obstacle to peace?
     
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    Hamas is trying to become another Hezbollah. Considering that both Hezbollah and Hamas is headquarted in Damascus Syria what more can you expect.
     
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    we have been hearing about them smuggling arms for years now. i am not saying that they have smuggled nothing but i have not seen much. i think they still use stones in most of their fighting. they might get advanced weapon like sword and spear.
    the idea of the cease fire is a short term solution to stabilize the situation and pave the way for a final peace. It can do that but without peace it is just a short term quiet and it will come apart.
     
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    they can't do serious damage to IDF. the casualties equation will be 1/10 or even more in fighting with IDF.
    But they do can launch their rockets on our cities. they have no problem with that.

    Obstacles to peace -
    *444,000 Jews in Judea and Samaria, like i said.
    * Most of the "Palestinians" don't recognize Israel.
    * I think we did "peace" for land with them once. It's so peaceful now, right? Stupid move of Rabin (of blessed memory).
    *This is our homeland.
    *They have already a country - Jordan.
     
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    God said Israel is yours. The Jews deserve the holy land all for themselves.
     
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    Attaching some parts of the West Bank to Jordan and renaming it to Palestine-Trans Jordan will solve the problem.
     
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    I didn't say anything about god. but if you say so - whatever.
     
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    see how you see these as obstacles to be peace despite your side is an agression power, then you cry why Arabs fight you when...

    what killed peace:


    - more than 700,000 Palestinians already been expelled from occupied Palestine 1948.
    - most of the Israelis do not recognize Palestine.
    - I think Arabs did peace for land with Israel when they stopped demanding to liberate 1948 (stupid move of Arabs leaders in Madrid)
    - This is our historical homeland.
    - you had already countries which you came from, Russia, Poland , Ethiopia ...etc, go back from where you came.
     
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    i see that you agree with paletanians as the settelments being the number one obstacle to peace.
    i hope you understand that none of the israelis recognize palestine.
    the right wing crazies killed Rabin. that is why there is no peace.
    it is also their homeland. learn to share just like you tell arabs.
    i do not see israeli youth learning anything about "peace and love" either.
    what you want is illegal under international law
    that only will give some more of palestanian land to israel and palestanians will have a whole country to attack israel from.
    this plan is not based on reaching peace but for taking more land.
    solves nothing. and is illegal.
     
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    Israel Government has already thought about this and they are going to keep the Jordan Valley. Israel isn't a viable state with a hostile country only 22 miles for Tel Aviv.
     
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    again imad, the old crying and yelling.... my 3 years old brother cries less then you. but this what you know to do.
    in 1948-1960 we had more than 800,000 refugees that the Arabs expelled from their homes in Arab countries. now there is ZERO. 0. why? we are not crying, we are acting.

    Beside that, you have nothing to say about the main topic, right? Only when Israel do something like this, it's horrible. hypocrite.
     
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    Read what you stated above, if that's isn't the true definition of 'hypocrite' I must have learned the wrong one in school..

    You don't recognize Palestine, yet you bitch and moan about them not recognizing Israel?

    You kick them out of where they live, but are worried about where you countrymen are so they don't get kicked out.

    Among other extremely 'hypocritical' points.

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jews like you make your country look that much worse to many peoples eyes. Mine included.

    You come off as nothing more than hate filled hypocrites..
     
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    is this the best you can do? the topic of the hour and every hour regarding the Palestinian issue is the occupation, that started with violence, and led to more violence, so maybe, I m more interested in discussing the cause rather than the symptoms?


    what Israel did and do is more horrible than everything else, to claim falsely that a country is theirs, and use terrorism, massacres, expelling, then state terrorism, is something very horrible, that the responsibility of it falls on the ones who committed it, no matter how much you try to justify it,

    as for the refugees, we have discussed this topic in details, it seems that you are broke, so you like to repeat what already been discussed, do you remember when I showed you that Israelis themselves say we are not refugees? in case you forgot, I will be glad to provide you with the links again.
     
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    How many times I can say that, THEY ALREADY HAVE A COUNTRY, AND I RECOGNIZER THIS COUNTRY, THIS IS JORDAN! Jordan is 77% of Eretz Israel, WHY WE SHOULD GIVE THEM MORE?
     
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    so if you said it, or if you used CAPS it means this is the truth? Palestine is Palestine, and Jordan is Jordan, in case you did not notice, thats why they have two different names ;)
     
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    That's why 70% percents of the citizens of Jordan are "Palestinians"?
    Or that's why the terror organizations declared that they demand both banks in the past?
     
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    you ask as if it is a fact about that 70%, from where did you get your info? that 70% percents of the citizens of Jordan are Palestinians? you still either forget to add a source, or ignore the source on purpose, because it does not exist, and if it does, are you shy to post it?

    there are many Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon and others, they should be on their own historical land.
     
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