Allah is Above what you think and imagine

Keep in your mind that the Holy Quran is different.

88. Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'ân, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

89. And indeed We have fully explained to mankind, in this Qur'ân, every kind of similitude, but most mankind refuse (the truth and accept nothing) but disbelief.

 

No, the Quran is no different than any other religious text. The claims made must be taken on *faith*, because there is no way to test or observe the grand proclamations contained therein. Your quoted verses from the Quran present a case of circular logic: "The Quran must be true because it is the word of God, and we know this because it says so in the Quran." The Christian Bible has similar verses proclaiming it's own veracity.

Again, using your chosen religious text is an appeal to authority, and only holds water with those that already believe in the accuracy of the book you are using.

 

Look im a muslim and I don't really care if your muslim or not i have friends who are black to white, christians to athiests.

But seeing as your trying to challenge the Qur'an, the circular logic part that your talking about i understand however in the Qur'an there many scientific revelations which were not possible for man to discover 1400 years back

For example :

Using science only recently we discovered that the light of the moon was reflected light but the Qur'an revealed 1400 years ago that this is the case.

Peace

 

And btw i was just trying to establish authority of the Qur'an by revealing a small part to you

 

Actually, the Qur'an says no such thing. Much like the prophesies of Nostradamus, or the Bible book of Revelation, this is a case of fitting vaguely worded verse to present day events. The only problem is this is always done *after the fact*.

If the scientific predictions of the Qur'an were so accurate, why are Islamic scientists not at the forefront of technology and science now? Why would they ever fall behind in science if the "truth" was given to them by God over 1100 years ago?

If you want a detailed rebuttal of your claim of scientific "miracles" in the Qur'an, you can find it here:

http://www.mukto-mona.com/Articles/avijit/Quran_miracle.htm

Even as I post this, I suspect you will not read the article. You seem to have your mind made up, and will most likely dismiss any opposing view out of hand.

 

When Francisco Mitra became the president of France in 1981. France requested from the Egyptian government to host the mummy of Pharaoh for the purpose of running laboratory and archeological examinations on the mummy of the most notorious dictator ever lived on earth. Upon arrival, a very royal attendants were there including the French president himself and all the ministers bowed in the honor for the mummy

When the ceremony ended, the mummy was carried to a specially-designed section at the Archeology Centre of France where the tests started by the greatest French archeological and anatomical scientists in order to discover more about this great mummy

The scientists were headed by Professor Maurice Bucaille. The scientists were trying to restore the mummy while Professor Maurice was mainly concerned about how did this mummy died! The final report of the scientists was released late at night in which it was stated that the remaining salt in the mummy is an overt evidence that it was drawn in the sea, and the body was rescued very shortly where it was immediately embalmed to be saved

There was an amazing thing that was still confusing Professor Maurice. This thing was how could this body possibly be saved and in such good condition more than any other mummy despite being taken out of the sea? Professor Maurice was writing his final report on what he thought would be a new discovery about saving Pharaoh's body immediately after his death and embalming it.

At this moment, someone whispered to him that Muslims claim to know something about the drowning of this mummy. However, the Professor firmly denied such thing saying that it's impossible to discover this without the development of science and without using his high-technology, complicated laboratories and computers.

Well, he was surprise when he was told that Muslims believe in a book called "The Noble Quran" and the Noble Quran narrates the story of Pharaoh's drowning and ensures the safety of his body after his death as to be a Sign to mankind. The Professor couldn't believe what he heard and he started to wonder:
How can a book which existed 1400 years ago speak about the mummy that was only found 200 years ago, in 1898 ??!!
How can that be possible while the ancient Egyptian heritage was discovered only a few decades ago and no one knew about it before??!!

The Professor sat down pondering on what he was told about the book of Muslims while his Holy Book (The Bible) narrates only the drowning of Pharaoh without saying anything about his body.
"Is it possible that this mummy in front of me is the one who was chasing Moses ??!!"
Is it possible that Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago ??!!"

The Professor couldn't sleep that night till they brought him the Old Testament where he read:
"When Pharaoh's horses, chariots and horsemen [d] went into the sea, the LORD brought the waters of the sea back over them, but the Israelites walked through the sea on dry ground. (Exodus 15:19)".

He was surprised that his Holy Bible didn't mention about the destiny of the body and that it will be saved.

When the scientists were done with the mummy, France retuned it to Egypt, but Professor Maurice couldn't rest for a moment since he was told that Muslims knew that the body will be saved from the Noble Quran. So, he decided to travel and meet anatomy Muslim scientists and there he spoke about his discovery of the saved body of the mummy after its death in the sea and so on.

One of the Muslim scientist stood up and simply opened the Quran and pointed to the Professor at one verse:

"This day shall We save you in your body, that you may be a Sign to those who come after you! But verily, many among mankind are neglectful of Our Signs" (Quran 10:92)

The Professor was struck when he read that and immediately stood in front of the crowd and said loudly: "I believe in Islam, I believe in Quran"

Then he went back to France with a different intention. In France, he dedicated 10 years investigating the scientific discoveries and comparing them with the Quran and trying to come up with one scientific contradiction with the Quran.

Finally he quoted one verse from the Quran to be his conclusion:

"No falsehood can approach it (this book) from before or behind it: it is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all praise" (Quran 41:42)

As a result of all years of his research, Professor Maurice wrote a book that shook all Europe, especially the scientists there
"Quran, Bible and Science: A Study of the Holy Books in the Light of Modern Science"

All copies were sold out at a very short time.

(brother elwill made this research).

 

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion

 

God, nobody cares. Do you really think you're going to convert people into your cult by posting on a webmaster forum? Stop wasting bandwidth with this crap.

 

Slave of Allah - I'm familiar with the story of Bucaille. I am also aware that his assertions have been throughly debunked by real scientists. There are links to such articles on the site I posted above. Also, MANY people have pointed out errors and inconsistencies in the Qur'an. Since you challenged anyone to show you an error, challenge yourself - do a quick Google search.

billy786 - You are correct (well, not grammatically, but the sentiment was correct). However, the intent of the OP seemed to be an attempt to convert people to Islam. Slave seemed unable to be content with this idea though, else he (or she?) would not be spewing their opinion as *absolute truth*. If someone tries to convince me their opinion of truth is correct, with NO EVIDENCE, then I will most likely retort.

ly2 - this is a *Politics and Religion* forum. Discussions such as this are what the bandwidth is for.

 

An honest question, what do these verses refer to then? It's easy to see why so many people believe these verses are about virgin companions.

055.056
YUSUFALI: In them will be (Maidens), chaste, restraining their glances, whom no man or Jinn before them has touched;-
PICKTHAL: Therein are those of modest gaze, whom neither man nor jinni will have touched before them.
SHAKIR: In them shall be those who restrained their eyes; before them neither man nor jinni shall have touched them.

055.057
YUSUFALI: Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?-
PICKTHAL: Which is it, of the favours of your Lord, that ye deny?
SHAKIR: Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?


or

056.022
YUSUFALI: And (there will be) Companions with beautiful, big, and lustrous eyes,-
PICKTHAL: And (there are) fair ones with wide, lovely eyes,
SHAKIR: And pure, beautiful ones,

056.023
YUSUFALI: Like unto Pearls well-guarded.
PICKTHAL: Like unto hidden pearls,
SHAKIR: The like of the hidden pearls:

056.024
YUSUFALI: A Reward for the deeds of their past (life).
PICKTHAL: Reward for what they used to do.
SHAKIR: A reward for what they used to do.

 

A slave of Allah bro in the Quran Surah baqarah it says Allah has made some , deaf , dumb and blind only Allah people choose will become muslims.

I know the Quran is perfect and people who dont belive this Allah challenges them himself by telling them make a book like the Quran, make a chapter like the Quran and if you still can't make a simple verse many have tried and none has succeeded.

The Qur'an is perfect in its entirety, its verses, its chapters, its information, its grammer, its wording, its text everything is perfect and it is the word of God.

If people choose to find out more there's plenty of information on the interent.

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, now why is that? Want to find out more Google is your friend

 

JOKE JOKE JOKE
There is a mistake in the Koran:
The "Shaid" doesn't get 72 virgins. He gets 72 years old virgin.
HAHA

 

Eventually all religions will wake up and realize they're all worshipping the same thing.

 

Don't be harry,

God The All Knowing The All Aware said:

In the Name of Allâh, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

1. Alif ­Lâm­ Mîm.

2. Do people think that they will be left alone because they say: "We believe," and will not be tested.

3. And We indeed tested those who were before them. And Allâh will certainly make (it) known (the truth of) those who are true, and will certainly make (it) known (the falsehood of) those who are liars, (although Allâh knows all that before putting them to test).

4. Or those who do evil deeds think that they can outstrip Us (i.e. escape Our Punishment)? Evil is that which they judge!

5. Whoever hopes for the Meeting with Allâh, then Allâh's Term is surely coming. and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower.

6. And whosoever strives, he strives only for himself. Verily, Allâh is free of all wants from the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns, and all that exists).

7. Those who believe [in the Oneness of Allâh (Monotheism) and in Messenger Muhammad PBUH , and do not apostate because of the harm they receive from the polytheists], and do righteous good deeds, surely, We shall remit from them their evil deeds and shall reward them according to the best of that which they used to do.

You will see the reply for that article, I have read part 1....
there was no error in the Holy Quran, you will know that.

best wishes

 

In all seriousness, how to people become so brainwashed?
What you're witnessing is literally a cult-like follower whos life revolves around some imaginary person.

This man probably plans his entire day/life around "allah". And look how happy he is, like he just snorted 3 lines of prozac.
If he wasn't so damn happy, I'd feel bad for him lol

 

Thanks for the thread summary. You saved me a few minutes

 

LOL, you mean Francois Mitterrand, not Franciso Mitra

Regards
Thibaut

 

I suspect that you will not read this either. All it takes was a simple Google search:

http://forum.bismikaallahuma.org/index.php/topic,934.0.html

You seem to have your mind made up and will most likely dismiss any opposing view out of hand.

 

A Save Of Allah, Please stop posting this shit if you arent even going to reply to my post!

 

I just have one question to ask. If the word Allah means The Lord/God/The Devine/etc., why are you so adamant about using an Arabic word even while speaking in English?