Soldier shot bound Palestinian with rubber bullet

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  1. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #101
    You seem to be struggling to find a way to make all of Israel look bad when this incident is just about a rogue soldier or two. It is hard to keep talking badly about Israel when they are doing all the right things in response to this video. Maybe take the day off, reflect on this incident and the one with the heavy equipment in Jerusalem today and ponder why you are outraged at one and not the other.
     
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  2. imad

    imad Peon

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    #102
    I thought we talked about this before and I told you, Israel does not look bad only, Israel is bad, and you speak as if this is not a policy in Israel and IOF, trying to make it look like isolated incident,

    have you ever heard about the "break the bones" policy?

    wikipedia is trying to soften it but here it is from wikepedia

    maybe thats why peace hating Israel assassinated the man who did a lot for Israel, because he "softened"


    Broken Bones And Broken Hopes

     
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    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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    #103
    People like imad can’t stand the existence of Israel & the Jews
    thought imad is from Egypt but he is from Jordan, still it reminded me something :D


    Egyptian Jurists Sue 'The Jews' for Compensation...of Gold Allegedly Stolen During Exodus from Egypt

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/968120/posts
     
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  4. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #104

    And I could posts thousands of incidents of Muslim violence, of beheadings, of hijackings, of suicide attacks against Jews, many with the explicit backing and support of Muslim governments - but to what end?

    You total lack of objectivity has blinded you. I fear there is little rational people share in common with you.

    p.s. If Palestinians had a military leader and statesman as great as Rabin they would already be living in a peaceful state beside Israel. It is a shame that no such leader has yet emerged on the Palestinian side.
     
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  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #105
    post, what is stopping you?

    blind? no I do not think so, you are trying to blind people, by making this look like an isolated incident, and not a policy, which been used before, and proved its failure, so it would be of less blindness maybe to assume this incident is a continue to the previous break the bones policy since it look very similar, and not jump to say this is only one isolated incident that will be investigated.
     
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    tidusyuna Banned

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    #106
    Can you show where this is policy? I think not because it is an isolated incident. Accept the truth. You focus too much on the negative things and it keeps you from seeing the good in things.
     
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  7. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #107

    There is no need. The history of Islamic violence against Israel and the Jews is well known and well documented.

    Frankly, I don't care what you think about Israel. We know you hate them and probably all Jews. So be it. The point to thinking people is that Israel, unlike some, has a moral code and is trying to follow it. No nation is perfect. No army is free of miscreants, no religion is free of fools, no race is above committing crimes. Hard for you to accept, but Jews are just like everybody else. Guess, what Muslims are too - in spite of your posts - they are not perfect and often commit horrific atrocities in the name of Islam.

    And that imad, is the truth.
     
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  8. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #108
    I want to see this report. Lets see if it is published. I do not believe that some people want to not publish it.
    I also do not like the fact that israel does not allow palestanians to make new wells to supply themselves with water that is needed. i find no morality or excuse for this policy.
    @Rankhyips .i find some of your ideas very disturbing. at this day and age we should try to bring people together.
     
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  9. imad

    imad Peon

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    #109
    the soldier who committed this, said that he got the order from his commander:

    the incident happened 2 weeks before the video was shown to public, during which IOF did nothing, no investigation, the soldier were still serving, only when the video was shown, they started to speak about investigations, and arresting the soldier..etc

    source

    in addition to what I mentioned in my previous post, that similar policies have been used before in IOF by direct orders from the Israeli prime minister.

    how many similar incidents happened before, and they said the same about it? in some of these incidents, the victim been killed in a cold blood and they faked it so it would look like he was a suicide bomber, see the image i posted earlier in this thread.

    should we trust these investigations when we see they are not effective? I would call for international investigation by HRW or UN.

    and yes, I see the good things, that browntwn always fail to see, he came running posting this video to use it in blinding the readers, he knows very well, somebody else will post it, so better to post it himself when he can't prevent it from being posted by somebody else since the news will be everywhere in media, and make it look like one incident that they will admit it and deal with it, and investigate it, bluh bluh.. but honesty, requires more than this,

    the good thing I see is that unlike what browntwn do in misleading us to believe it was isolated incident, there are many Israeli soldiers who are breaking the silence, you can read their testimonies here

    whom browntwn did not know about, or did not want us to know about.
     
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  10. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #110
    You got me. The Israelis had me post this here to blind you.

    In fact, everything the Israelis do is just a big trick to fool you. They are secretly using the blood of Palestinians to fuel cars. They shot this guy in the toe to get a sample. I know it may not make sense, but these are crafty Jews. That is how the oil crisis will end.
     
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  11. Rankhyips

    Rankhyips Banned

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    #111
    Not only you avoid just about everything I wrote (for obvious reasons), you also deny that Prescott Bush was one of the most important financiers of the company behind the deadly gas.
    I haven't added sources as this is a well known fact, I thought. You don't add your sources either (Nuremberg Trial, lucky guess?). Why would I? Oh well, just to please you, otherwise this thread will sound like a broken record. Here is the first result of the many I came across:
    http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/
    Let's see how long it will take before someone calls The New Hampshire Gazette an unreliable source... or "antisemetic".

    Feel free to check who was behind almost all world's financial enterprises then (and today; some things never change - NASDAQ100? Check it out for yourself)

    We have more in common than you might think/want. I do not believe in a man-made God either. Everyone is free to believe in what he/she wants as long as they don't annoy the rest. We're seeking the same, only I am a realist. It is simply unreasonable to demand peace from the Palestinians after 60 years of suppression by the most dangerous fascist regime in human history.
    Where we clearly differ, is the support for the right of Pisrael to exist. I wouldn't support a state of "Native America" if the Indians were to demand it. Otherwise we'll have to deal with a lot of injustices from the past in many countries. What happened, happened. Our generation has nothing to do with the past.

    And here we go again. Your favorite pet. You're the one who supports genocide on an unseen scale in human history.
    You don't (want to) understand what I said. I prefer such a drastic move over billions of deaths. Being a humanist. It's the lesser of 2 evils + it gives the advantage that world peace will last.

    Please don't address anything else I've said or I will be forced to stop laughing at your "objectivity".


    Sure. I'm a mass-murderer. I steal land from others. I use the most powerful country to accomplish my goals.
    Keep reading the Jew-owned newspapers, keep watching the Jew-owned channels. You're on a distinguished road.
     
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  12. imad

    imad Peon

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    #112
    I may understand the violence against Israel as an illegal entity, which used killing and massacres to expel people from their own lands, aggressors, and occupiers, should expect resistance and violence,

    but I would like to see what you call The history of Islamic violence against Jews? its documented, by Jews themselves in some cases as in this book:

    A History of the Jewish people,

    more quoted covering a long period, can be found here
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #113
    you suggest an uncivilized solution. regardless of why you do it, it is uncivilized.
    it is also useless since it is not doable. it is also counter productive in the goal that you profess to have. You do not know what to do. frustrated and hopeless. understand that you are not responsible and /or capable in making a significant change in history. and there is nothing wrong with that.
     
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  14. Lora Kok

    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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    #114

    LOL
    :D:D:D

    Jews are monsters!

    Out of more than 720 prizes awarded since 1901, more than 130, or about 18 percent, have gone to Jewish laureates. Jews have won almost three times the number of awards won by either Germany or France (including their Jewish winners), and 10 times those won by Japan. Jews comprise only 0.3 to 0.5 percent of the world's population.


    imad do you see any Muslims?
     
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  15. imad

    imad Peon

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    yes

    MuslimHeritage.com - Discover 1000 years of missing history and explore the fascinating Muslim contribution to present day Science, Technology, Arts and Civilisation.

    1001 Inventions is a groundbreaking global educational initiative exploring the Muslim contributions to building the foundations of Modern Civilisation
     
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  16. Lora Kok

    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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    #116
    Winning Nobel prizes?
    where? show me...
    how many?
    http://www.islamicweb.com/begin/population.htm

    let me help you http://www.jewishmag.com/99mag/nobel/nobel.htm
    Arab/Islamic Nobel Prize Winners
    From a pool of 1.4 BILLION Muslims which are 20% of the world's population (2 out of every 10 people)


    Literature

    1988 - Najib Mahfooz

    Peace

    1978 - Anwar El-Sadat

    1994 - Yasser Arafat *

    * NOTE: Norwegian, Kaare Kristiansen, was a member of the Nobel Committee. He resigned in 1994 to protest the awarding of a Nobel "Peace Prize" to Yasser Arafat, whom he correctly labeled a "terrorist."

    2003 - Shirin Ebadi

    Chemistry

    1999 - Ahmed Zewail

    Physics

    Abdus Salam



    Jewish Nobel Prize Winners
    From a pool of 12 million Jews which are 0.2% of the World's Population (2 out of every 1,000 people)

    Literature

    1910 - Paul Heyse

    1927 - Henri Bergson

    1958 - Boris Pasternak

    1966 - Shmuel Yosef Agnon

    1966 - Nelly Sachs

    1976 - Saul Bellow

    1978 - Isaac Bashevis Singer

    1981 - Elias Canetti

    1987 - Joseph Brodsky

    1991 - Nadine Gordimer

    2002 - Imre Kertesz

    World Peace

    1911 - Alfred Fried

    1911 - Tobias Asser

    1968 - Rene Cassin

    1973 - Henry Kissinger

    1978 - Menachem Begin

    1986 - Elie Wiesel

    1994 - Shimon Peres

    1994 - Yitzhak Rabin

    1995 - Joseph Rotblat

    Chemistry

    1905 - Adolph Von Baeyer

    1906 - Henri Moissan

    1910 - Otto Wallach

    1915 - Richard Willstaetter

    1918 - Fritz Haber

    1943 - George Charles de Hevesy

    1961 - Melvin Calvin

    1962 - Max Ferdinand Perutz

    1972 - William Howard Stein

    1972 - C.B. Anfinsen

    1977 - Ilya Prigogine

    1979 - Herbert Charles Brown

    1980 - Paul Berg

    1980 - Walter Gilbert

    1981 - Ronald Hoffmann

    1982 - Aaron Klug

    1985 - Herbert A. Hauptman

    1985 - Jerome Karle

    1986 - Dudley R. Herschbach

    1988 - Robert Huber

    1989 - Sidney Altman

    1992 - Rudolph Marcus

    1998 - Walter Kohn

    2000 - Alan J. Heeger

    2004 - Irwin Rose

    2004 - Avram Hershko

    2004 - Aaron Ciechanover

    Economics

    1970 - Paul Anthony Samuelson

    1971 - Simon Kuznets

    1972 - Kenneth Joseph Arrow

    1973 - Wassily Leontief

    1975 - Leonid Kantorovich

    1976 - Milton Friedman

    1978 - Herbert A. Simon

    1980 - Lawrence Robert Klein

    1985 - Franco Modigliani

    1987 - Robert M. Solow

    1990 - Harry Markowitz

    1990 - Merton Miller

    1992 - Gary Becker

    1993 - Rober Fogel

    1994 - John Harsanyi

    1994 - Reinhard Selten

    1997 - Robert Merton

    1997 - Myron Scholes

    2001 - George Akerlof

    2001 - Joseph Stiglitz

    2002 - Daniel Kahneman

    2005 - Robert (Israel) Aumann

    Medicine

    1908 - Elie Metchnikoff

    1908 - Paul Erlich

    1914 - Robert Barany

    1922 - Otto Meyerhof

    1930 - Karl Landsteiner

    1931 - Otto Warburg

    1936 - Otto Loewi

    1944 - Joseph Erlanger

    1944 - Herbert Spencer Gasser

    1945 - Ernst Boris Chain

    1946 - Hermann Joseph Muller

    1950 - Tadeus Reichstein

    1952 - Selman Abraham Waksman

    1953 - Hans Krebs

    1953 - Fritz Albert Lipmann

    1958 - Joshua Lederberg

    1959 - Arthur Kornberg

    1964 - Konrad Bloch

    1965 - Francois Jacob

    1965 - Andre Lwoff

    1967 - George Wald

    1968 - Marshall W. Nirenberg

    1969 - Salvador Luria

    1970 - Julius Axelrod

    1970 - Sir Bernard Katz

    1972 - Gerald Maurice Edelman

    1975 - David Baltimore

    1975 - Howard Martin Temin

    1976 - Baruch S. Blumberg

    1977 - Rosalyn Sussman Yalow

    1977 - Andrew V. Schally

    1978 - Daniel Nathans

    1980 - Baruj Benacerraf

    1984 - Cesar Milstein

    1985 - Michael Stuart Brown

    1985 - Joseph L. Goldstein

    1986 - Stanley Cohen [& Rita Levi-Montalcini]

    1988 - Gertrude Elion

    1989 - Harold Varmus

    1991 - Erwin Neher

    1991 - Bert Sakmann

    1993 - Richard J. Roberts

    1993 - Phillip Sharp

    1994 - Alfred Gilman

    1994 - Martin Rodbell

    1995 - Edward B. Lewis

    1997 - Stanley B. Prusiner

    1998 - Robert F. Furchgott

    2000 - Eric R. Kandel

    2002 - Sydney Brenner

    2002 - Robert H. Horvitz

    Physics

    1907 - Albert Abraham Michelson

    1908 - Gabriel Lippmann

    1921 - Albert Einstein

    1922 - Niels Bohr

    1925 - James Franck

    1925 - Gustav Hertz

    1943 - Gustav Stern

    1944 - Isidor Issac Rabi

    1945 - Wolfgang Pauli

    1952 - Felix Bloch

    1954 - Max Born

    1958 - Igor Tamm

    1958 - Il'ja Mikhailovich

    1958 - Igor Yevgenyevich

    1959 - Emilio Segre

    1960 - Donald A. Glaser

    1961 - Robert Hofstadter

    1962 - Lev Davidovich Landau

    1963 - Eugene P. Wigner

    1965 - Richard Phillips Feynman

    1965 - Julian Schwinger

    1967 - Hans Albrecht Bethe

    1969 - Murray Gell-Mann

    1971 - Dennis Gabor

    1972 - Leon N. Cooper

    1973 - Brian David Josephson

    1975 - Benjamin Mottleson

    1976 - Burton Richter

    1978 - Arno Allan Penzias

    1978 - Peter L Kapitza

    1979 - Stephen Weinberg

    1979 - Sheldon Glashow

    1988 - Leon Lederman

    1988 - Melvin Schwartz

    1988 - Jack Steinberger

    1990 - Jerome Friedman

    1992 - Georges Charpak

    1995 - Martin Perl

    1995 - Frederick Reines

    1996 - David M. Lee

    1996 - Douglas D. Osheroff

    1997 - Claude Cohen-Tannoudji

    2000 - Zhores I. Alferov

    2003 - Vitaly Ginsburg

    2003 - Alexei Abrikosov

    After reviewing this list, can you supply a reason for the large discrepancy between the Arab/Islamic population's contribution to the world body and that of the Jew? There are 165 Jews listed as opposed to 6 from the Arab side.


    p.s this list is not updated, Jews kept wining more Nobel prizes since 2003
     
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    imad Peon

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    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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    #118
    No

    just telling you you wont succeed in bashing us Jews.
    ppl like you as browntwn mentioned, will blame israel and the jews for everything!
     
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  19. imad

    imad Peon

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    #119
    I blame Israel for many things, true, but what has Jews to do with it? so many Jews also blame Israel for many things.

    People like you and browntwn, with all respect, when they run out of logic, they try to label others with antisemitism, hatred of Jews, bluh bluh..
     
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  20. Lora Kok

    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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    ok

    Would you care to explain to the forum about the Ashura holiday?
     
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