Soldier shot bound Palestinian with rubber bullet

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  1. imad

    imad Peon

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    #81
    ok Mr. Fact

    tell me,
    in the case of occupation, who is responsible for the flow of food and water to the occupied people?
    does Israeli supply these stuff for free?
     
    imad, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  2. metros

    metros Notable Member

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    #82
    Occupation?
    You mean the arabs trying to occupied Israel areas?
    Else I am not sure what you mean, Jewish are there for over 2 thousand years so I think you are a bit confused.

    The UN announce part of the the west bank as Palestinian area (an arab place inside Israel).

    Guess what Mr Imad,
    Israel supply also to the west bank - all, even supply weapon (Yeah weapons!) to Palestinian police and army (why? because they want to stop Hamas, they don't like the radicals and they want to fight Terror, while you justify it - are you against Palestinian opinion? weird)

    Another fact, many peoples from the west bank working daily Israel (Yes, not on Jordan, Egypt or any other place, why? I said to many times I guess - No One On This Planet Care About Palestinian Citizen While Israel Are Showing Honesty & Assistance to them)

    How sad, but I bet you don't care either ? you just one more brainwashed so I can understand your words and on the same time feel sorry for you :(
     
    metros, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  3. imad

    imad Peon

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    #83

    why not posting these UN resolutions that announce part of the the west bank as Palestinian, do not forget the so many Israel did not implement ;)

    for me it does not look like Israel cares about Palestinians, or international law, or UN resolutions.
     
    imad, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  4. metros

    metros Notable Member

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    #84
    For you (brainwashed, you see to much of This?) indeed.
    Anyway - good luck with your limping ideas and let's hope for a better future.
     
    metros, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  5. gauharjk

    gauharjk Notable Member

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    #85
    FACTS ABOUT ISRAEL-PALESTINE CONFLICT

    Israeli occupation is more brutal than the South African Apartheid.

     
    gauharjk, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  6. wisdomtool

    wisdomtool Moderator Staff

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    #86
    IMHO the Arab nations had done far too little to help the Palestinians. You mentioned about Egypt aid, how much is that? 62 truck loads? How much had Egypt and the rest of the Arab nations contribute to Palestinians in terms of aid? (other than weapons to allow them to kill the Israelis?) . 62 truck loads is a drop of water. Granted that there are plans to help more but how much compared to what the Palestinians actually need?

    According to
    http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/980227/1998022735.html

    There is only about 2.9 million Palestinians. Not considering other OPEC countries, how many barrels of crude oil did Saudi Arabia export per day? Sparing a few bucks per barrel to their fellow Palestinians won't be too much would it? Have they done so?

    You may say that Israel don't provide the food and stuff for free. But at least they provide something for the Palestinians to buy. Their factories hired Palestinians to work and paid them salaries to feed themselves. Exploitation? Maybe I am not sure of their minimum wages and health benefits, but whatever it is better than starving.

    There are two sides to a coin. I do not live in Mars just because I asked something that contradicts how you feel. Israelis aren't Angels but I won't consider Palestinians' Arab Brothers as Angels too. It seemed that they are more interested in providing ammunition to let the Palestinians and Israelis kill each other rather than helping their fellow Muslim brothers and providing them a life line helping them earn a decent livelihood instead of depending on their arch enemy.

    Apologies to the OP for digressing from his thread proper, I wonder should we go back to the rubber bullet and for those interested in Israel-Palestinian economy or such, they may be interested to open another thread.

     
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  7. imad

    imad Peon

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    #87
    the destruction caused by Israel is Israel responsibility, Israel so far did not compensate the Palestinians whom they expelled, despite that they are living as refugees in Arabian countries, where they are able to work and earn their living with dignity mostly without the need to get humanitarians aids from the Governments of these Arabian countries,

    as for Palestinians under occupation, I think you are still blinded with the Zionist propaganda, and still picking what fit your agenda in this regard, another example:

    Saudi Arabia Announces Massive Aid Package To Lebanon, Palestine To Help Relief Efforts

    this is Lebanon, not Palestine, see the difference when Arabs have a free access to the country that needs the aid, but what about Palestine? despite the restrictions, and sometimes the accusations of funding terrorism:

    more..

    Saudis Will Keep Up Aid Flow to Palestinians

    Saudi Arabia provides food aid for 50,000 Palestinians

    Saudi Arabia provides US$ 15 million to UNESCO programme for students and universities in the Palestinian Territories

    Saudi Arabia provides relief aid to Palestinian refugees in Lebanon

    and you of course, can find more and more and more, not only Saudi but also others, and easily, with a simple search online, but again, this wont be possible when you hold this ill intention.
     
    imad, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  8. northpointaiki

    northpointaiki Guest

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    #88
    You've posted quite a bit of opinion, and no sources of data to support your revisionism. We'll begin there. You'll have to do better, for instance, than saying what is widely known - that I.G. Farben grew to cartel strength under the stewardship of Hermann Schmitz (President; also on the board of Deutsche Bank and Bank for International Settlements), and with significant Wall Street financial assistance during the '20's, including Standard Oil. Unless you'd like to say that world financial enterprise was, and is "Jew-Owned," and part of a worldwide Jewish conspiracy, in which case I'd again require data, and not simply continued histrionic rantings.

    To clarify, I am not a "zionist." I do not believe in any god, much less the god as described in the Torah, Bible or Qu'ran, so I do not believe Israel is a divinely ordained place for Jewish people to settle. On the other hand, I find it hypocritical of the modern nation states to declare that only they have the right to establish nationhood by a principle of self-determination. I support the right of Israel to exist, and for its people to live in peace and security. I also decry the generations of disenfranchised Palestinians, grieve for the loss of life on both sides of this issue, and believe no peace will come until the fundamentalist and recalcitrant interests on both sides either soften their positions, or are reduced to irrelevance. I am a humanist, or seek to be, anyway.

    And:

    No, in today's world, they call:

    Genocide, not "peace." Your world apparently differs.
     
    northpointaiki, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  9. qwestcommunications

    qwestcommunications Notable Member

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    #89
    Its clearly an occupation by Israelis of Palestenian land. If you use the logic the Jews were there 2,000 years ago, are you willing to give up America to the native Indians then? Clearly not. If you use that logic, we would need to displace people in many many parts of the world who displaced the orginal inhabitants from those lands.
     
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  10. debunked

    debunked Prominent Member

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    #90
    1 Israeli is being held prisoner by Palestinians, while 10,756 Palestinians are currently imprisoned by Israel.

    Should Israel do to its prisoners equality of what palistine does to its captives?

    Or if you don't understand the question - why would palestine keep those they murder in prison?
     
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  11. Lemon116

    Lemon116 Active Member

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    #91
    I dunno if anyone posted it here before but this dude got shot in the toe, you know the finger on his leg.
    He will survive...
     
    Lemon116, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  12. Lora Kok

    Lora Kok Well-Known Member

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  13. metros

    metros Notable Member

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    #93
    LoL Lora,
    Don't generalize all Muslims, that's not really ethical.

    Islam is a deepen and interesting as same as Judaism or Christian and others..

    Those Terrorists are peoples that been used by a Radical Islam groups, they just use them for their goals.
    Of curse, that's not an excuse but still, no need to generalize all Islam, that's just small amount of Radical Muslims that some how on high places and have lot of money, e.x. - Ben Laden.

    So my friend, don't generalize :p
     
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  14. Lemon116

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  15. GRIM

    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #95
    So when a suicide bombers blows himself up and only 'injures' people that will survive that makes it ok?
     
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  16. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    #96
    Of course not. While the Palestinian was not severely injured, the act itself it what was wrong and offensive. Thankfully, the IDF sees it that way also and will investigate and hopefully discipline the guilty parties.

    It seems like all the relevant authorties in Israel agree on that.

    "Israel's Defence Minister Ehud Barak has condemned an incident caught on film in which a soldier seems to shoot a rubber bullet at a bound and blindfolded Palestinian.

    Mr Barak says the case was grave and wrong, and that the military would exact the full extent of the law.

    Footage released by a human rights group shows the detainee being held by one soldier as another fires at his legs at close range.

    The Palestinian man said the rubber bullet hit his big toe.

    Mr Barak has promised that those involved will be held to account." source
     
    browntwn, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  17. imad

    imad Peon

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    #97
    not sure what are you trying to say, so the problem now, whether it hit his leg or his toe?

    whether it hit his leg or toe the action itself is wrong, and of course, the war criminal Barak would say these words because the world have seen it after it was caught on that cam, but how many of these actions have not been caught on cams?
     
    imad, Jul 22, 2008 IP
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    GRIM Prominent Member

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    #98
    He is showing that the government of Israel is taking the matter seriously and using appropriate methods to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    This was after I asked a question above.

    My point was simple, some appear to think Israel does no wrong and should be able to do much worse 'via hate' just as many on the Palestinian side think as well.

    When I see either side attempting this I will call them on it.
     
    GRIM, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  19. imad

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    #99
    I hope they do not mean the cam when they say it won't happen again.
     
    imad, Jul 22, 2008 IP
  20. northpointaiki

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    #100
    Actually Grim, unless I've missed something, I believe Brown did this with his initial post in the thread, though he added more later on:

     
    northpointaiki, Jul 22, 2008 IP