Who is discriminated against more today in the United States? White Males? Or Who?

Just because you are not one of the poor white males left to rot does not make what you say true.



Poor white males are 'over 90% of the people in serious power in the country?'

Really now, that is news to me.

Elected officials do what it takes to get relected and make themselves feel good which in todays world is twisted thinking like yours. Helping people out based on skin color and sex but in the same breath piss and moan about racism when in fact the very thing you and the government support is racist to the core!

 

really? how many non-white non-male presidents have there been

how many non-white senators?

 

Learn to read would you?

'poor white' how many poor white males have been president.

I love how those who try to act like they are so high and mighty about race are the true racists in many cases, making it about 'race' and not simply about those who need help.

 

I think when he said poor he was being sarcastic , as in like poor paris hiltons show got canceled

 

The point behind this thread is not the entitled men or women of any race, nor would it be when discussing blacks who have fallen through the cracks of society.

There are those who are poor and left to rot of every skin color and sex.

 

...and when they do, or life is unfair, everyone has to blame someone else.
There is no accountability in American society anymore. It always someone else's fault.
We have the best opportunity in this country, more now, than ever before to do and be what ever we want. The only hindrance is...no one is going to give it to you, because no one owes you anything.

Either go out and get yours, or shut up about it. It's not anyones fault that life is not what you want it to be. So you didn't get one job, Big deal!

If it makes you feel better to blame someone else, then by all means make up a few excuses, but the rest of us, would just go to the next place that is hiring, and get that job.

Yes it is a racist, sexist, selfish society that we live in...Boo fricken Hoo! We know that going into the game, so why are some people so surprised when it happens to them, as if , discrimination is for "other people". White people are always the most surprised, and have the thinnest skin when something doesn't go as planned, or if they think someone else is getting a break that they think they deserve.

That's what it all comes down to... Entitlement. Which is another way of saying selfish.

Americans never seem to get upset when another person of the same race gets a job, but when it is someone of a different race...it's all of a sudden because of affirmative action. An we are all guilty of it. I have heard many of my black friends make the same excuses about not getting a job, and there may be some truth to some of it, but, Maybe they just didn't like you. No one ever wants to admit that possibility.

I have heard the folklore and old wives tales of jobs lost to white people because of affirmative action, and the mysterious un-named companies that have whispered to applicants that "we have to hire a few Blacks, Women, and Mexicans, so I can't hire you."

It's all bullsh*t ! That is about as ridiculous as an employer telling a black person "You didn't get the job because you're black". In other words what you are saying is that there is some secret society of white people where everything is completely forthcoming, and you whisper company secrets, and hiring practices to applicants that you don't hire.

Get over it people ! Stop worrying about what you think other people are getting, and worry about how to get yours.

If you really believe that the government is holding you back from making a living because of some kind of affirmative action law, that you probably don't even know how it reads, then you are a sad loser. The only person holding you back in life is you, and when you hit a snag, or an idiot, or a bigot, don't let your feelings be so hurt, that you curl up on the couch watching daytime court shows and soap operas, listening to rhetoric from your friends about affirmative action, minorities, and the government.

Winners Take action. Losers make excuses.

 

The idea of this thread is comical to me.

When one group DISPROPORTINATELY controls the courts, the government, the business sector, the media, the schools, and the vast majority of the wealth, and YET...

can say they are the most discriminated group...

somehow, that just tickles me.

Obviously, they have a different definition of what discrimination is.

 

Even more comical is how many people claim discrimination based on what they think the Affirmative Actions laws are, instead of actually reading the law for themselves.

It is merely a guideline that public institutions, Universities, and Employers should have equal access that is reflective of the population of society.

It does not say that Employers must hire Blacks, Mexicans, Women or any other minority.

What is says is that you cannot discriminate against them, and it will be hard to prove that if you have 1000 employees that you have never had a qualified applicant that wasn't white male.

So anyone that say's that they have been refused employment, or been told hat affirmative action was the reason that they did not get a job...there are only 2 possibilities.

They lied to you as to pass the buck, or they have a long history of discrimination, and they need to start building a workforce that is reflective of the community around them.
The U.S. government has never legislated that you have to hire minorities, just that you can't slam the door closed on all of them, all the time.

Sexism, and Racism still exists and there is no legislation that will stop people from being bigots.

 

*ding ding ding* we have a winner.

The idea that white males have it off rough in this country is so utterly ridiculous. It's... just insane really. I do my best to understand other people's view points. But to me that's a bit like saying the earth is flat. It's just so obviously untrue as to make the statement ridiculous.

 

I love how you all bypassed the fact of 'black college funds are AOK' but white college funds are not.

As far as your 'ding ding ding'

I will tell you as well to learn to read.

Of course are talking about the poor here, not the rich.



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Ok I will hold your hand here as well..

My statement of 'poor white males' had NOTHING to do with you claiming 'poor' as under any logic we are discussing the unfortunate of any race, color, sex, religion.

 

Of course poor people have it rough, regardless of race / gender. I don't see what that has to do with this topic.

I was quite poor growing up (I had "reduced lunches" in school and my parents used food stamps) and am doing fine for myself now. I'm white. I grew up in a rural environment (as I think most poor white kids do...) I think it's a lot easier to get out of that particular cycle than it is the inner city cycle that most poor minorities find themselves in. I don't have a lot of facts & figures to back up that claim - Only that I've lived in the country and I've lived in NYC and so I've seen what different people go through. Poor white people in the country seem to have many more opportunities for success than poor inner city black people.

 

O.K. dude...(sigh) . Again...just the suggestion that someone may be getting a break, or assistance, that is not white, and people get bent out of shape and cry some sort of racial favoritism.

The United Negro College Fund, is an old, self supporting scholarship program that helps black kids afford college. What is wrong with that ?? It doesn't operate using one dollar of government funds.

There are a zillion college scholarship funds for all kinds of students. Catholic, Jewish, Baptist, American Indian, Hispanic, Disabled, Blind, Deaf, Diabetic, Democrat, Republican, Soldiers, Medical Students, Law Students, Musicians, Athletes, Researchers, Muslim, Italian, Greek, Cuban, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Women, and hundreds more.


There are so many scholarships, fellowships, and grants out there, I have never seen a list of all of them in one place..there are just too many.


Most are supported by donations from within their own community.
But Whoa !
Don't let one be for black students...all of a sudden the "white guy" is getting the short end of the stick.

There is no "white guy" college fund because it's stupid. What is white ? Where is that country ? What religion is that ?


Pa-leeeaase !

 

It has everything to do with the topic at hand...............

Just because from what you witnessed and you claim to of been 'quite poor' does not equate to other poor 'shock' white males not getting a chance.

I have witnessed the exact opposite, minorities and woman able to get many more opportunities. Hell when I was originally going to go for a small business loan I was recommended to have my business in my wifes name, her being a female had MUCH more of a chance and more options to get a loan than did I.

I know multiple people who have had their wives go for business loans because of the minority type status of females, one would think if white males have it so much better they would not have to.

All I see is people averaging out white males 'average' status, the entire time forgetting that most of the wealth is held by a select few white males, leaving the rest to rot and in a worse position than those who can get grants, college funding, loans etc simply because they are a minority.

IMO that IS racist.

 

Do you like making shit up?
There are many scholarship funds, the point is you can not have one for whites or you are considered racist.

IMO you are the racist.......

 

is irish close enough to white?

http://www.nextstudent.com/directory-of-scholarships/ethnic/0016/ethnic-Irish-scholarships.aspx

maybe these days it is?

 

What are you talking about ? Go ahead, Start a "White Guy" Scholarship Fund.

If you can't fit into any of the funds already out there, and you think one is needed for "White People", then by all means, this is America..knock yourself out.

The bottom line is, if you have the grades, or were bringing something to the table, like you were a musician, an athlete, a member of Mensa, or something to that affect, you wouldn't need to look elsewhere for funds, schools would be falling all over you. But since you are an average student, who is not bringing any talent to the table, you have to pay just like everyone else.

Unless you have the money, you have to ask someone for a gift, loan, or hand out.
I kinda figure when people are giving or loaning their own money, they can give it to who ever they please.

Find the one that works for you, and ask. If you think that white guys are being left out of the THOUSANDS of scholarships funds out there, then go ahead and start the Average White Fund.

This guy will probably agree with you. http://thefire.org/

You see..I hear you talking, but you are not saying anything that is not applicable across the board and all racial boundaries, but you seem to be especially pissed that it has happened to you, as if it wasn't supposed to. That is very interesting to see.

 

You love making shit up by the boatload, seriously to the point that you are about to meet my ignore button.

I am and always have argued for equality 'a crossed the board' that is the entire reason I am against scholarships, loan programs, etc that exist for one race and not ALL others. The same reason I am against the fact that any and all other races, religions, minorities in every other aspect can have private funds set up w/o being called racist, yet a white male one can not be.

It is YOU not wishing to have things fair and unbiased a crossed the board, not me.



As far as 'Irish' goes, Irish on many accounts have been a minority segment of the US that was also put down.

It still is a far cry from a scholarship for a particular race, or the white race now isn't it?

 

I'm confused.

Are you mad because there is a United Negro College Fund or are you mad because you can't find funding for your education?

 

I AM AGREEING WITH YOU !

As I said, this is America...You can start any fund that you want. I won't think you're a racist at all.
I don't see anything wrong with communities raising their own money and helping out deserving students who would like to educate themselves.

We need more of that in this country. People helping others.

A friend of mine is a member of his churches Parish Council. Greek Orthodox. They have a scholarship fund to help with some of the expenses involved with college.

I don't see anything wrong with that. Maybe it's just me, but I think it's great that people want to take care of those in their community, instead of asking the government to do it. Then the argument would be just the opposite.

"Why do I need to spend my tax dollars sending inner city kids to college".

You are damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

 

Neither..

I am against anyone being discriminated against, I do not see how hard that is to understand.

I have NO issue with organizations like the United Negro College Fund, I am against the fact that if someone tried to start a White European American college fund it would be called racist. Every time someone has attempted one it has been attacked as being racist.

I do not need 'funding' of my education, believe it or not I am against discrimination for others because I find it wrong, not that it directly effects me.