U.S. Forces on a Border Outpost "Tactically" Retreat - WTH Is A "Tactical Retreat"??

No. I have no desire to disabuse you of your terrorist leanings. You feel free to keep thinking Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9-11. That is your cross to bear.

 

Despite "reams of evidence" I really thought you'd be able to give us something to back up your opinions.

What a dissapointing debate that was.

 

Why don't you start, if it wasn't Bin Laden, who do you think committed 9-11?

 

I don't know for certain, but it wasn't Bin Laden ---- "despite reams of evidence".

 

Hint: Operation Northwood (1962) Justification for U.S. Military Intervention in Cuba (sound familiar?)

Here is another Hint: Operation WASHTUB, a plan to plant a phony Soviet arms cache in Nicaragua to demonstrate Guatemalan ties to Moscow

 

lolol this made my day.

 

Well I am convinced. You are sure it wasn't Bin Laden that's good enough for me. I will just ignore the confession and the evidence.

 

Browntwn you wouldn't take professional video analysis of the confession tapes into account (which prove them to be fake) because you "don't try to prove yourself wrong" which is the first step in getting the truth.

I can understand you would accept OBL was the perp because it's an emotional decision you've made and you wouldn't be willing to stray from this.

 

I will consider all types of information. I don't need to go out an waste my time trying to prove your pathetic point.

Where is all this proof from professional video analysis that the videos were fake? I am happy to read about it from any reputable source you want.

What I am not going to do is waste my time try and prove your paranoid side of the argument - which I think is wrong and baseless. I don't expect you to prove my side of the argument. One little observation, you must really have a shit life to hate your own country and buy into all this crap. Oh well - sucks to be you I guess.

 

Let's get down to the facts of the attack. Here is an eyewitness account of the fighting by Spc. Tyler Stafford.

200 insurgents attacked a platoon-plus element of soldiers with 2nd Platoon, Company C, 2nd Battalion, 503rd Infantry Regiment (Airborne), 173rd Airborne Brigade Combat Team accompanied by Afghan soldiers at the outpost. The taliban outnumbered the US forces 4 to 1 and were repelled in bloody fighting.

At FOB’s observation post, where nine soldiers were positioned on a tiny hill about 50 to 75 meters from the base. Of those nine, five died, and at least three others — Stafford among them — were wounded.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=56237

 

I am glad that the afghanistan taliban and their days of oppressing the afghan people have nearly ended.

Osama is a terrorist and a terrorist leader. That's all that matters.
But he doesn't matter anymore as either he is hiding or dead ....... unless he is secretly motivating terrorists, he is no longer a threat.

 

It's hard to say how much of a threat that Osama still is. Bin Laden has married one of Mullah Omar's daughters to strengthen the alliamce between al Qaeda and the Talban. Osama is still surrounded by a cadre of dedicated followers such as Al Zarqawi from the muslim brotherhood. His followers are probably more dangerous than he is.

As long as Osama us looking over his shoulder every five minutes scanning the horizon for a US missile, he is less of a threat.

 

The way to truth is to look at it from an unbiased perspective and take information from all sides. It's impossible to get the truth if you've already made up your mind before you've even examined any evidence.

Does it make you wonder why fake video tapes of OBL are being released?

 

Wow, that was really underwhelming. First, it is only talking about one of the later videos, not the confession. Second, he makes nearly no conclusions, just questions whether there were edits and splices.

You base your theory that Bin Laden was not involved based on that?

Not surprising that you would accept such a low threshold of evidence to exonerate Bin Laden, but will happily ignore the reams of evidence of his involvement.

I can't believe anyone is ignorant enough to cite that article as proof the video was not from al-Qaida.

"Neal Krawetz of Hactor Factor, an expert on digital image forensics, said in his latest blogs that the video contained many visual and audio splices, and that all of the modifications were of very low quality."

"Krawetz presented at this year's Black Hat conference in Las Vegas, al-Qaida has a history of doctoring background either to present propaganda or simply to disguise locations."

"And there are so many splices that I cannot help but wonder if someone spliced words and phrases together. I also cannot rule out a vocal imitator during the frozen-frame audio."​

What in any of that says it is fake. He talks about the video, but in the article you cited it does not say it was fake or not produced by al-Qaida. He merely says it contained splices and edits. Does that somehow make it fake? In the very same article he says that al-Qaida has a history of doctoring backgrounds in their videos.

Is there somewhere he make a conclusion about the source of the tape or makes a claim that it was not al-Qaida who put it out? None of your conclusions are supported by the article you cited.

There is no there there.

 

The more I read into your cite and source, it becomes apparent that you are truly clueless, as you have cited me to a source that does not even support your claim. Classic.

This is from YOUR SOURCE, the video professional Neal Krawetz:

"There is no question that the people behind this cowardly attack would attempt to do it again.

As an unfortunate reminder, Al Qaeda uses this anniversary to remind the nations of the world that they still exist -- even if only through the use of spliced and manipulated videos."​

Source is http://www.hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/95-Al-Qaeda-Snorts-Flies.html

You article you cited me in the quotes post is to an article that said this:

"Neal Krawetz of Hactor Factor, an expert on digital image forensics . . ."


EDIT: The more I read your expert the funnier it gets. Here is another quote of his:

"The problem with conspiracy theories is that they attract people who refuse to view anything except information that supports their argument."
The very guy you cites says that it is an al quida video. Perhaps you need to change brands of tin foil or learn to read the very things you think support your claims.

Here is a hilarious quote from the comments section of his site:
"I thought your report was good until I saw that you thought "al Qaida" was the one faking the videos!"
Looks like you weren't the only clueless one who thought this supported your conspiracy theory.

Do you have any more sources for me to consider?

 

Please remind me why Osama Bin Laden needs to make fake video tapes of himself? Are you completely throwing logic out the window here?

Fact of the matter is, so called evidence is faked time and time again. Point was not that Osama did or did not do it, this is just another fake video tape, plain and simple.

Answer the original question if you can and try not to go too far off base: Does it make you wonder why fake video tapes of OBL are being released?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm....

Well that wasn't rocket science, now was it?

I would take his opinion on digital image forensics any day.


At any rate, I haven't provided you any evidence that Osama didn't do it, nor have you provided me any evidence that he did in fact do it. But we both clearly accept the fact that videos are being faked.

For kicks, let's examine the confession video and see what turns up.

 

O Reilly!!!!!

so you think you can invade a Nuclear State huh!

 

USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.

Its from the FBI ten most wanted.
I dont see how the FBI blames bin laden for 9/11. He is a terrorist and a suspect in the 9/11 tragedy.

Whether he is guilty or not he killed enough people prior to 9/11 meaning he is a terrorist anyway and must be brought to justice.

 

Nowhere does that say it was "FAKED" it merely says it was edited and spliced BY AL QUIDA.

You just got made a total fool of because YOUR SOURCE totally supported the OPPOSITE of your claim. You add the word FAKE when that was not what the expert said. He said it was SPLICED AND EDITED BY AL QUIDA.

Keep trying to spin and bullshit your way out of your post some more. You are discrediting yourself with each additional post now. It is funny that you went off on me and now, when you finally "put up" there was simply nothing to support your baseless claims. Not only that, but the expert you cited, supports the EXACT OPPOSITE of your claim - he says the videos ARE MADE BY AL QUIDA.

I have seen so many people like you who find a snippet of text from some expert, don't bother to read it all, and then start repeating it in a manner it was not intended making total fool of yourself in the process.

 

I used the source to prove that the tapes were fake, nothing more nothing less. You can pretend like you "caught me" because the analyst thinks they were made by Al Queda, but really his expertise does not go beyond digital forensics. How can he say it was either edited by InterCenter or Al Queda? It is almost impossible to know.

The keyword is almost. Thanks to an important detail he found, it's quite possible to know.

An important piece of evidence which shows that IntelCenter most likely made this video themselves (which you never commented on, can you discredit it?) -- if you can't then your argument goes nowhere (or in your case to personal attacks).

Spliced and Edited = Fake Video

This Quote = Fake Video