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It's because you have to be able to think abstractly. The military defends us as a nation. If we don't have a good military we are more likely to fall, which means the constitution wouldn't mean shit. As much as guerilla will play semantics, our military ultimately protects the constitution and the protection it give us.

 

"Think abstractly, and I am the one who plays semantics".

UNALIENABLE FROM MY CREATOR seems pretty straightforward to me.

I'm done with ya LF.

 

Wait don't put me on ignore!!! I swear I'll start bashing our military men and women as murderers and join your campaign to smear this nation by any means necessary!!! Please!! NOES!!@!111

 

I would agree with this, I just disagree with some of the other crap you used to get to this point. For instance, I think if George Washington told you to shoot that 12 year old English drummer boy who was unarmed and you refused, he would have shot you for treason right then and there. I think when you say the standing army is wrong and does not defend our Constitutional rights, you totally ignore all the history of when our army did defend those rights from foreign invaders and interests, such as when the founding fathers fought the British, and you also ignore the fact that many other countries have a standing army that could easily overwhelm us if we were not prepared to deploy hundreds of thousands of troops at a moments notice.
I do think Obama is worse than McCain these days though, the lesser of two evils is itself an evil choice, I think you would agree with that.
Back on topic however, if we created the mess of Saddam is it not morally correct to fix it? If we believe at all that terrorism is fostered by certain nations should we not consider those nations our enemies and here I am just asking the question, I am not saying I think Iraq was one of them.

 

If we don't have a constitution we are more likely to fall over having the military we have now.

I'd for one rather have the constitution in full, with the chances of our nation being destroyed than having our constitution destroyed to protect the nation. Without the constitution and what it stands for there is no point.

The military is for protecting the nation, I respect and honor all who serve and who have served. The common man however is far more important to the protection of the constitution, the easiest method to destroy the constitution is from within, not from a foreign power.

 

Without the military who serve us it would be no problem for a foreign power to breach our borders and take control. And the crowd you hang out with often do not respect the people who serve in our military. That might say something about the philosophies that you subscribe to.

 

Then I think we have a different understanding about the personality and character of George Washington. He was a great leader, and a great statesman, he was not a butcher or a war monger.

The Constitution does not allow for a standing army without constant re-authorization by the Congress. When the country was formed, there was no standing army. It was militias. The Founders have made clear in their letters that they considered a standing army to be a drain on the wealth of the nation, and a threat to it's liberty. So no, the army does not coincide with the Constitution, nor does it proceed it.

Not to mention, that the Founders were not Americans. Most of them were British. They seceded from what they saw was tyrannical government from England. They seceded for basically the situation we are in today. High taxation, shrinking civil liberties, unsound money, theft by inflation, and mercantilistic economic policy.

Sorry you think my position is crap. I'll get over it.

 

Oh, and people should really try to understand why we have a Second Amendment. It's because the Founders knew a standing army would be a threat to liberty. And sure enough, it eats up a ton of our spending, and creates foreign dragons to slay, exactly as we were warned about by the Founders.

A nation of 50 million armed adult citizens need fear no invasion. This is the 21st century. China could reduce us to rioting and abject poverty with a dumping of our currency. Or they can just keep buying the country up, as they finance our troops in Iraq. Not to much we can do about that.

We're in checkmate, and people want to attack me for trying to point out what should be the obvious? Oh well, good for them I suppose.

 

ahh yes it 'could be' did I ever say we should not have a military to protect us?

NO I DID NOT.

The fact still remains that the constitution can be destroyed internally much easier than a foreign nation is just going to happen to come and attack us and take us over.

Without the constitution the US of A is meaningless.

I take respect of what our great land was founded upon over fear, if you want to live by fear go right on ahead, I however will not.

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further more since G has brought up the Militia aspect. Personally I would prefer Militia's being able to have whatever weapons necessary to defend our great land, I however know that is not possible 'given our long standing and reliance on the military'. I do believe in the 2nd amendment however more than the normal person, and believe pretty much no weapon should be banned or regulated.

 

I didn't say anything about George being a warmonger, I said I think he would shoot a disobedient soldier, there is not time for debate in battle. But of course I would guess you would explain to George how you didn't like the target and he would say ok and ask you who you think you should attack.
I didn't say your position was crap, but hey dilute my points all you like. I'll get over it.
So do you honestly believe we can survive as a country without a standing army? You don't think some other countries might see that as a big kick me sign on our backs? Don't misunderstand, I think our military budget is outrageous and we have more branches than we need perhaps, but that is far from your position of disband the military isn't it?

 

Live by fear? Why don't you talk to your buddy, the Alex Jones fear peddler?

 

You used the word crap first.

I don't want to argue anymore. I can't believe I argued this much tonight.

You're a good man. Good luck with your farm.

 

This pretty much sums up what I think. We need an army and we need an armed populace. A trained army is much more effective than a bunch of civi's taking up arms, but both are even more effective than either alone.

 

That's why I said your buddy.

 

Ahh I misread, I read it as 'your buddy Alex Jones'

I can admit when I am wrong...

For that I apologize and will remove my above comment.

 

Thanks for the compliment I still build the occasional web site too, it's good to diversify your income, and I like being self sufficient. I guess I did call some of your points crap didn't I Oh well, bygones.

 

Wrong again. Most of the terrorist financing came from and flowed through Iraq. Most of the training occurred in Afghanistan. Plain and simple. If you were on the ground in Iraq in the months before 9/11 you would have seen an increase in the number of high profile terrorist going to and through Iraq. Why were they flocking to Saddam in droves like bees? Maybe they were getting lessons in goat farming and not routing numbers.

 

Please show the sources that discredit all the experts and our own US government.



So you were in Iraq? I didn't realize being in a country would make you see anyone and everyone coming through the country...

With your lack luster logic when a terrorist comes into the US he/she must be here for our president. When in fact most of the 'terrorists' were in Iraq, in areas Saddam did not control.

 

whine, whine, bitch, bitch. Come on folks. We've gotten an insane number of stupid reported posts in this thread alone today. It's closed. Do NOT report posts and waste our time just because you think something is "rude." Do NOT report posts in P&R or anywhere just because you disagree or don't like what someone says if it doesn't technically break our rules. Learn to play nice or I'm banning you all for a while.