I don't see Guerilla as lying using my name, I could be wrong but it appeared to be some confusion. I honestly do not see it as being 'lying' though, unless I missed something.
I didn't lie about you and WT and thanks for recognizing that. Some people, if they repeat something, or an interpretation enough times, seem to be able to create new realities.
My friend, The fact that Guerilla is doing what I believe he always does, and is in my opinion attempting to cloak his filth by further methods, it is what it is. Both Nate and Lightless, the only other people with whom I corresponded, confirmed they did not forward on my PM. In fact, Guerilla is lying. Guerilla, you once asked to meet me in person, to prove you are more than a guy hiding behind the bravery of his keyboard. I have offered myself to now do just that, have a discussion, up close. You have stayed quiet, now that I have accepted your request.
I simply don't know what he intended by 'grim' in the pm's as I did pm with him that day, discussing his views on soldiers and when he could consider them doing wrong, which does differ from what I do. I can not say with certainty what his statement of me and pm's involved.
I know, bro, but that's not the issue. He indicated my PM's were forwarded to him. Plain and simple - isn't it?
Wisdomtool and GRIM both replied back to my PMs. They both told me that while they didn't agree with me, they had no hard feelings with my posts. I asked if you are saying they are liars and they do have a problem with me. As usual, confusion or intentional mis-attribution. Single line quoting to build a conversation can do that. Regardless, I am done with the topics of PMs, Soldiers and whatever other mindless arguments I have engaged in recently (including the current one with LogicFlux).
Nate, thank you; it means a lot to me. I don't care who you are, what you believe - may all our families live in peace and honor. Homebiz, thank you as well. I have many flaws, not the least of which was my certain arrogance and rudeness towards you, so, it's been on my mind, and it's a good time to say I am sorry for the way I exchanged with you. Paul
You're a liar, along with everything else. You indicated members had forwarded on my PM's to you, so you lied here, and further indicated my PM to these people - which arose out of deep, personal grief - was the subject for laughing scorn among you. You then named Wisdom and Grim, with the strong implication being that these were the members with whom you had "massive lolz" over my message to them. So you lied again. I'm also not asking for an exchange online any longer, guerilla. You once ridiculously called me to a "personal meeting" to prove to me that you've got more than an ability to type hateful bravado online. I now accept the notion of an in person discussing of our views.
Unfortunately, no, my friend, we can't. There are some things over which I, at least, cannot get along. Particularly when one member still stands in taint of gross wrong, as he continues with your thread now.
I concur. "Right" and "Wrong" and "Good" and "Evil" are not meaningless concepts. Certain actions are "right" or "good" while others are "wrong" or "evil." It is prima facie moronic to overlook wrong and evil and treat them as right and good. Doing so devalues the entire experience of what it means to be human. It completely removes the value of "right' and "good" by making them morally equivalent of "wrong" and "evil." We as humans make judgments. We reason. We think. To do otherwise is to deny our higher nature. It is to abdicate our responsibility as human beings.
Just silly nitpicking here but I felt the need anyway... I think right and good are synonyms but wrong and evil are not. Evil and holy would be antonyms for me. I think what is good and right and what is wrong is obvious to any human and is dictated by our higher nature. I think holy and evil are much rarer and not so easily distinguished by the average person. Either way good post and if I misunderstood apologies in advance.
I understand your need for nitpicking on this. These issues are a linguistic minefield. I used both sets of terms in order to cover the largest possible ground with my post. I was focusing on the antonym sets. I didn't really consider the relations of the synonym sets. I normally think of 'holy" and "unholy" as antonyms. As an Atheist, I seldom use either term. I think of "good" and "evil" as antonyms -- most likely because Friedrich Nietzsche burned that into the minds of all of Western Civilization. Fred didn't write "Beyond Holy and Evil". I searched Merriam-Webster for guidance and came up with nothing solid. These terms and all of the related terms are covered with multiple definitions -- all fairly vague and open to interpretation. I've thought more about my earlier post and it reminds me of a drill we did in an intro level philosophy class back in University. We learned seven rules by which any action could be judged as "right" or "wrong", "good" or "evil". The trouble was... very few actions which we considered passed or failed all seven tests. Take a look at these actions: Calling all American service members war criminals. Tormenting a grieving family member by calling their recently deceased brother a war criminal. Comparing American service members to Nazi death camp guards. Lying in a discussion in order to make it look as if other forum members agree with your position. Challenging another forum member to a face-to-face confrontation and then refusing to act when that challenge was accepted. I know that I, personally, see these actions as "evil" and "wrong". But, if I were in a pinch, I could probably come up with an argument which not only justified these actions but also cast them in a positive light. I might not be able to believe my own argument, but you can bet that it would be a good one. Although it is important whether you see these actions as good or evil, it is more important simply that you make that judgment. Whether your judgment is correct or incorrect, each of us must make that judgment. That is our birthright, our destiny, and our responsibility as human beings. Moral equivalence is for animals.
Considering that in some countries people are actually killing themselves over politics and religion, the disagreements in p&r are rather mild.
Guerilla has said he has chosen to leave the forum, so I won't speak ill of someone who isn't here any longer to defend himself. That said, to the facts, to agree to disagree is obviously a far cry from you, or Grim, forwarding my PM on to him, or sharing "massive lolz" over that same PM.
I get the distinct feeling that some of the folks on the forum would love to commit murder, if only they could get their AdSense payments up high enough to be able to afford airline tickets to the civilized world.