Jesse Ventura for Senate?!

Horseshit, and everyone but Ncz_nate, apparently, knows this.

I'm not fucking around. You once played at bravado, and intimated you wanted to meet to "throw down." You crossed the line one too many times, when you decided to play your fucked up little sandbox games on the memory and honor of my late brother. I am available and have offered to meet in person to discuss our views, up close. Time to put up or shut up, little boy.

 

Yes, apparently. Did you manage to PM everyone? Are you saying that GRIM and Wisdomtool lied back to me in PMs?

For crissakes, I have given my regrets for the loss of your brother, and would be happy to drop the whole thing, IF YOU WOULD DROP THE WHOLE THING.

But you refuse to. You keep bringing it up, over and over and over again.

As far as the tough guy routine, gimme a break. We've gone through this once, and I believe you went through it with gworld too. You really need to chill out man. You're wound up way too tight for someone discussing politics with strangers online.

 

I will have to let Wisdom and Grim speak for themselves, as I honor them as principled people.

You have crossed the line once too often, guerilla. You continued your contempt with this thread, and I'm not playing any longer.

As to "tough guy," little child,

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=7403310&postcount=71

While I wouldn't beat your sorry little ass over a DP politics issue, I very much am willing, and desirous, to meet with you to achieve a clear airing of views based on your bullshit today. And now that I have handed you what you asked for, so long ago, I see what I saw then - a frightened child, hiding behind his keyboard.

 

Yeah, this will be interesting to get to the bottom of. GRIM, WT, care to chime in?

 

Wisdom, with respect to your person and your post above, appreciation for how this isn't fun for any of us, and with the strong desire to to keep the private communications between us private, there is no misunderstanding taking place.

Is sheer bullshit, more of the usual, and we all know it. The "regrets" amount to:

And the contemptible method continues here, equating today's vets to yesterday's nazi/SS soldiers.

Anyway, again, no more playing. Guerilla, I have answered your call for a personal meeting. You can respond to my acceptance, or run.

 

I had a discussion with NPT via PM too. An although I will honor NPT's privacy, I could care less who he forwards mine to. In fact I hope he forwards mine to guerilla because I called him a bad name and that's something I could get in trouble for if I did it out here.

 

Thanks, Logic, for your thoughts here, as well as in PM. I regret any of this came to pass, actually.

I have heard back from the only people I have been in touch with today - these would include Grim, Wisdomtool, Ncz_Nate (with apologies to Nate for making a wrong assumption, apparently), Lightless and LogicFlux.

I consider them all honorable people, and appreciate their replies, whether here, or in PM.

Based on what I have received, it is my impression that Guerilla has simply done what he always does, in saying:

Namely, lying through his teeth. The only one "massively lolz'ing" over a deeply painful thing, and deeply wrong thing, is apparently guerilla.

And guerilla, I'd appreciate the opportunity to discuss this in person, as you yourself requested many months ago. I do not say this for effect. Feel free to contact me anytime.

 

I don't know if he said this in public or in private, but I should clarify that I'm the one that PM'd NPT first without ever having talked to him before. He's a good poster and I was worried that by him letting people under his skin who don't deserve to be there, he could get infractions.

 

3:30 Am and I just laughed so loud the whole house woke up. I think all the regulars know it's all about the Agenda with G and he is as willing as the government he despises to bend his propaganda and rhetoric to promote it. Even knowing this and having seen it proven time and again, G has posted many things that made me question my core beliefs and that is always a good thing. I almost HAVE to believe he really does not mean what he is saying. G would you spit on a vet returning from Iraq? Would you try every frontline soldier of war crimes?

 

Thanks, Logic, again. I think guerilla was hoping to portray these "laughing" exchanges came from either Grim, or Wisdomtool. In all sincerity, your heart has been in the right place throughout, and I do appreciate it.

 

I don't know, and I don't care, earthfaze. This entire joyfest began with my late hour discovery, and it hasn't improved.

I do not begrudge anyone for their views - I have said this so many times, it has become an echo. I do begrudge stooping so low to attempt to "win" some goddamn point on DP, that you cross the line of humanity, much less common civility.

All pretty words. The matter is obvious, and I am no longer playing.

 

Read that thread, almost sorry it was closed, had some input on all that myself. There is a level of personal wisdom, or perhaps experience if there is a difference, that separates those who speak out of principles and those that speak from agendas. I once made a comment about "philosophical differences" in a thread where I was being painted a socialist. This is one of those differences. Promoting the agenda at any cost even if it means being entirely dishonest with words, terms, contexts, and using fallacious arguments while at the same time decrying those acts, is against my principles and I would say yours too. Assuming details about all soldiers everywhere based on the acts of some is absolutely rediculous but I guess it fit the agenda. The backpedaling seems to fit the agenda now.

 

Thank you, earth. I remember the thread you are talking about, and I hated it there as well. If it's the one I'm thinking of, as I said to you then, I enjoy and respect your posts, and it is a shame to have them dismissed with the kind of meaningless tactics employed.

I'm sorry the thread was closed as well, but I understand and appreciate Smyrl's difficulty in managing the damn thing. I expect to be banned by tomorrow, anyway, but have truly played out my ability to "play" anymore in the face of the things at issue here. (It appears guerilla's verve to meet for a friendly chat, up close and in person, has cooled a bit).

Thanks again, as always, for a good contribution.

 

I'm extremely tired, just waking up so maybe I am not comprehending this.

I #1 did not forward any pm's, I don't believe I ever have unless it's something to do with spam, or the forums I admin at, etc.
#2 Wisdom already pretty much covered it.
#3 I have nothing against any party here, I however have no problem with debating with anyone or stance I do not agree with.
#4 MORNINGS SUCK!

Lastly I did have a PM exchange with G yesterday, nothing to do with PM forwarding. I honestly don't feel I should list what the convo was about, however since he said to chime in.

Basically it was just him explaining himself a little further about his stance on soldiers and when he sees them as doing wrong, much to the point as he is now doing about Nazi soldiers. While I do get his point, I also do not fully agree with it as I responded with in my own PM.

 

Wisdom, I am pretty certain:

The "massive Lolz" were reverberations within his head. I am also pretty certain:

The only lying going on is coming from guerilla, and no one else.

My friction with guerilla has long had nothing to do with his views, but with the manner in which he presents them. In this regard, I think earthfaze has nailed it perfectly.

Yesterday's choice on guerilla's part was the most base thing I have ever seen on any forum, everywhere, and I intend on holding guerilla accountable.

Grim, per our exchanges, and my thoughts here, I am certain you acted honorably throughout this unfortunate event. I don't believe any of you did anything dishonorable, and only guerilla has an answer, and an apology, to provide, to many people.

 

I really just wish we would stop getting threads off topic.

I understand something was said that really hurt/offended NPT, but I really think it should be dropped now.

I will be the first to admit that I am wishy-washy and have a tendency to see both sides of an issue without really voicing my true opinions here, but this sh*t has got to stop!

This section is always talked about so badly and it's because of this crap that it gets a bad rap. I enjoy coming here to broaden my horizons so to speak and learn different opinions on issues I care about. Both Guerilla and NPT have made me take a step back and think and really learn more about politics and the major issues the world faces today.

But, I have to say, this pissing match between the two of you is really f*cking up the the enjoyment and true purpose of this section.

I enjoy my limited interactions with both of you and wish I had the balls sometimes to put my opinion out there as much as you guys do. But, you have proven to me why I hold back my opinions most of the time with the senseless bickering that effects everybody!

 

Firegirl, this isn't a "pissing match," and what you are seeing isn't "bickering." And I believe you do make your opinions known (for instance), and they fall generally, and strongly, in support of guerilla and his views - your perfect right, all the best.

However, regarding this "issue," it doesn't go away by continuing the lies and taunts that began it, to include an attempted mockery of something quite painful - let me know your response when your recently deceased sibling is vilely painted up as a murderer and a war criminal; you are falsely said to be "exploiting" the loss to win some fucking points on DP; your pain because of it is falsely portrayed as "laughed over" by some honorable members here; all over trying to win a couple of points on DP.

Per Guerilla's own, earlier request, I do intend on holding him accountable, and if you can't see the picture as I believe the picture is, I can't, and won't, help that.

 

Agreed. Thank you for saying that.

You'll find in a short amount of time that everything you say offends and or pisses off NPT. That's just the way it is. Many of us have just grown accustomed to that fact and either ignore him, or just quietly laugh as he further humiliates himself.

You're preaching to the quire here.

True, both can be quite engaging and well spoken.

From my perspective the pissing match appears to be pretty one sided. While I admit, it is easy to get caught up in the discussion and even easier to be an instigator, there is really only one person "f'ing things up.

Best bet, "ignore button." It's a hard one to use. Especially when the continual banter can often times become a stress reliever. While amusing, I will admit, it gets boring. And, since some people take things like internet forums way too serious, its pretty evident to me that calling it quits is more often than not, a better solution. I've seen quite a few people here go nuts in the past and suddenly snap.

I guess some people have a predisposition to such obtuse behavior, while still others are driven to it in the heat of a discussion. Whatever the reason, its' a bit disconcerting either way.

I completely understand why you hold back. Sometimes expressing an opinion here means you will be attacked, instead of debated. What you are witnessing here, is the retribution that is associated with those that cannot simply accept or respect another's opinion without getting mad. Frankly, I wish the ones that got mad would just take their toys and go home. Sadly, that does not happen. They usually have to be spanked a few times, or eventually grounded.

Back on topic, I see JV has decided not to run stating that he does not want to put his family through the public scrutiny. He is likely referring to the people that would have no doubt asked legitimate questions about JV's sanity when it comes to thinks like 9/11 and little green men.

I think I'm gonna watch "Predator" again tonight. Always loved Ventura in that.