do you think soldiers are heroes or the losers ?

That's funny, you said I seemed like a smart person yesterday before you edited your post. Didn't think I was looking?

 

youre ever so conveniently forgetting that its always the US army on foreign soil and not the other way round

so when you say "start wars" and the wars are on other peoples soil + your bombs and army it KINDA makes people wonder? sure we started a war on our own soil cause we had nothing better to do that day than fight the #1 military superpower + their puppet allies

also there is no doubt in every young boys mind who is to blame for him being force drafted..."the americans are coming to bomb" KINDA leaves you looking like the war mongers eh?

oh and my point still stands: patriotism = 1200$/month ...take away the $$$ and the ideals melt and fade away...you can still tap yourselves on the back and pretend to be "heroes" im sure that inside the USA you will always find somebody to listen to the heroic war stories of how you could not score a job at mcdonalds so you became a hired mercenary instead...

or let me spell it out real simple: if i pay a woman 1200$/month to be with me is it true love?

 

If you put half as much energy into looking at post edits into being sincere in a discussion...

But like you've written, you don't take any of this seriously.

Which is why when you say you "believe" that the economy is not in serious trouble, not knowing why specifically you believe that, it's either ignorance or indifference. Both of which I have little time for.

 

Just came across this. What I want to say would get me banned. What burns inside my chest right now would get me far worse. Suffice it to say I've had it with your personal attacks on my family, Guerilla. My brother was an honorable vet who endured hell during the war, and for the rest of his life after. He recently died, so, no, I'm not really in the mood.

 

A lot of people don't remember the Fall of Saigon where there were millions fleeing or in boats. The fall of Cambodia was worse and resulted in the 'killing fields' where the communits murdered 1 million people out of a population of 6 million.

 

interesting, i must say- I'm here with guerrilla and others anti-war pipl, just that i have expressed my view already, few years ago, when Iraq just started


this is a big shame- that the majority of wordls population are war-supporters, nothing you can do here really at this point, as simply intelligent worlds population is a much smaller than the thick one

i believe all suffering and end to all wars should come from education, to get people educated we need money

money better to be spent on providing free education, than on training/sponsoring the "fighting force"

my view..


now where are the war's money comes from
isn't that from a screwy business men, who controls wars businesses

 

Right, but you cheerlead and justify the war which causes this. We had no business in Vietnam. We lost tens of thousands, the South Asians died in the millions, and we destroyed our economy. For what?

For nothing, but the endless blood lust and fanaticism of some cold warrior chickenhawks.

I got a warning for a personal something or other.

I'm not the one who brings up my family to spite someone else.

I'm sorry your brother passed as I am sorry for everyone who passes, but your attitude about the military and war really doesn't reflect any sort of maturity of opinion on the topic of violence.

Killing is wrong, no matter who does it.

 

i found out, Iraqs war money mainly comes from China??

US sells some "Treasury Bonds" to support war, mainly china's buying

source

does anyone familiar

 

Stop. The "something or other," as you well know, was to personally attack my family - a man you wouldn't have the chance in hell of knowing - by naming him a murderer, and a war criminal. DO NOT KEEP GOING.

The link you misnamed states this:

I'm holding my tongue. I would normally laugh at the notion of your telling me - a guy on his own from 14, a father, a veteran, a man who lived under the direct tutelage of a zen and martial ways master - my level of "maturity on the subject of violence." Whether a thread devoted to discussion in honor of Gandhi's ethos, or the many threads I have made quite clear the following:

To hear you, of all people, speak to me on "maturity" of any kind would normally bring me to laugh.

But I'm not laughing any more. Do not mention my brother again - ever. Do not preach to me anything, actually - your arrogance and gross misapprehensions notwithstanding, do not use any tactic you customarily use: misstatements and misrepresentations of my views of war, my views on anything, to make the attempt to further your agenda, ever again.

To all others, who sit in silence while this kind of thing is spewed, but who voice objections left and right otherwise - shame on you.

 

I wouldn't have a chance in hell of knowing him, if you were not bringing him and his service up on this forum, repeatedly. You've got dozens of posts at least where you glorify the military.

Censorship and bullying won't obscure what is.

Killing is wrong, no matter who does it. And last time I checked, the Vietnamese did not attack America (Tonkin incident).

 

That's NOT what is reads.

Work

Work in Iraq pays very well. Typical foreign contractors can make up to $100k per year for security and admin work.



Contractors could make about $100K per year. Not the soldiers. Enlisted soldiers make about $12-20K per year.

Officers could make much more, but most are nowhere near $100K per year.

 

You are lying. I am not laughing. I believe I have mentioned my brother once before you specifically, directly and personally attacked his memory with this thread, and I have never glorified war. Quite the opposite.

I have served; simply enough, I am a vet. I will not spit on vets, and if that is "glorifying" something unjust in your mind, this is your problem.

You must stop. It angers me that I should even have to post this, but again, here's my essence on the subject:

A D-Day memorial thread.

I want a world of peace, and grieve that our species has been at its opposite for so long. Your usual attempts are simply no longer funny, Guerilla.

 

Great! What are you doing about it?

 

WT, sensible post as usual. I do however disagree with one aspect. If you know the war you are going to fight is wrong, and you still go voluntarily, then you can't say you were just following orders. You made a conscious decision to participate in something which you knew was illegal.

In the case of Vietnam, the draft complicates things. I don't believe in a draft, and I certainly don't think people drafted always had an option, although I applaud those who left rather than participate what was obviously now a contrived war that had nothing to do with national defense.

And on the subject of defense, I think this is a legitimate role for a soldier. Not offense. Offensive, aggressive war is a war crime.

 

Plenty, and none of your %^%$#$ business. You want to play sandbox games, that's fine - but you have crossed the line, once too many times, Guerilla.

And oh, for the love of Christ, will the pandering ever stop? I agree with Wisdom as well - and I would guess, both of us having served, we share many similar sentiments. But there is nothing in what he said that you have not utterly condemned by your point of view - most personally, and most egregiously, for me, to call my brother a murderer and a war criminal because he served in Vietnam.

No one is fooled any longer. Go away, Guerilla.

 

Maybe you should update your sig and location fields to properly reflect the level of your outrage and disgust!

I am happy you are doing plenty. It's very inspiring.

 

yea, it sounds a bit ..err- communistic ??

simply looks like the pain of unfortunate loss of his brother has affected productive part of the brain

this is understandable and most importantly - curable

best of luck

 

Soldiers by and large deserve respect IMO. You CAN NOT blame them when they are simply following orders, they are doing their job and duty, even if it's not in direct protection of our great nation.

Unless they themselves disobey direct orders and or commit war crimes against laid out protocol of the military it is not the individual soldier you should blame, but those in charge of the soldier, all the way up to the Commander and Chief.

Vietnam, many of the soldiers did not even want to be there, they were forced into. Even so that does not change who is in charge, who should get blame and take responsibility.

Even if the war is not a 'just' war, even if you do not support the war, you should back the soldiers and be proud of them. I know I am, even in Iraq which I am firmly against, it does not stop me from talking to the soldiers as they return, shaking their hands and telling them I am proud of them. Listening to their side of things, even if they are pro war, IMO they earned it.