Would you call it being penalized?

Discussion in 'Google' started by samzach, Jul 8, 2008.

  1. #1
    I have a site that was ranking very well for a very competitive keyword. Since last 2 months, the site has been falling and today it has fallen to page 4 and 5 for my desired keywords. I have been building links from PR6-PR3 sites but it keeps falling.

    Sometimes, it jumps to page 2 and then to 3 and today it's on page 4 and just now while I was typing this, it went back to page 3 (second last result). I need to know if this sounds like a possible penalty? I have no idea why I would get penalized in the first place but if it is, is there any way to find out what it could be and if I am penalized, is there any way to get out of this? What should I do to get back to page 1? Should I start agressively buying links or something?

    Thank you!
     
    samzach, Jul 8, 2008 IP
  2. samzach

    samzach Peon

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    #2
    I could actually really need some help here?
     
    samzach, Jul 9, 2008 IP
  3. schgrv

    schgrv Active Member

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    #3

    These days everyone facing this problem. Rankings are going up and down constantly. Listen what is happening with me. For keyword my site was coming on 13th place few days ago. But earlier today when i checked it was on 75th place. But now it's on 45th place which is it's ranking from last 5-6 days. It's not happening only with single keywords there are many more keywords for same site. That does not mean i am going penalize. It is just part of Google game.

    Don't do anything rubbish in hurry. Just go for natural ways of link building. Not buy link regularly. I am sure till now you are not penalize but if you continue with ur link shopping then surely u wud get penalize.

    Just do some work on On Page SEO. Make ur content more relevant and interesting. Just go for some On Page SEO steps. Make your site structure more SE frndly. If possible try to make ur title more relevant. And main thing go for natural sources of links not do link shopping.

    I hope that u wud try to understand these things.....................
     
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  4. dynamicseo

    dynamicseo Banned

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    #4
    Can you provide us some more info. regarding you site and the keywords rankings... so that we can give you more specific ways and suggestions.

    Thanks.
     
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  5. Nosfer

    Nosfer Well-Known Member

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    age of the domain is also really important. if your site is pretty new it could dance from one page to another in SERPs but as it gets older it will stick in one spot.
     
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  6. samzach

    samzach Peon

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    Thanks Schrv!! :)

    The real issue is that my competitors are buying links on every other site. Seriously, they are buying links like anything and they are page 1 now. I don't have that big budget to buy link or anything so I can't do anything about that. So should I expect myself to keep falling? My competitors are doing very well!

    My site's age is 3 years now. I guess it's old enough to not behave like that in Google's algo :s
     
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  7. dynamicseo

    dynamicseo Banned

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    #7
    If you really want to buy some links... then don't do it instantly buy some good PR and link from related themed sites in a regular interval... :)
     
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    lycos Well-Known Member

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    If it is penalized, the site would have been totally taken off from search engine results. And the fact that you site keeps on jumping up and then go down again in ranking shows that it is still there. Most probably it's because the niche you are in is highly competitive.
     
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    i think we should wait for some time to see if ranking is fixed, or then must see that if you involved in spam
     
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    A sign of big update ... my all sites are facing same probs !!
     
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  11. schgrv

    schgrv Active Member

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    As i said earlier you shud work on On Page Factors. Just add relevant content in your pages. This wud naturally increase your keyword strength. And if possible try to add new pages paticluar targeting one main keyword it is also helpful. Then you cud give more strength to your keyword. It wud take time of around 2-3 months for avge competitive keyword. But once get position it wud be fixed and ur domain also old enough. So just go for some more content. But note here by keyword strength my means is increase keywords strength by adding content don't take it as increase keyword density.

    Also if possible try to make your site structure more SE friendly. Go for some ON page SEO tricks.....................

    These wud help you lot........................
     
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  12. samzach

    samzach Peon

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    I have done a lot of on-page optimization. I have aroud 100+ articles and a GOOD majority of them are unique :) The ones that are not unique is becuase other people have copied it on their sites. Should I delete those articles? I have tried rewriting some of them but it's a time taking process. The site used to rank #2 for a keyword with 14 million results 2 months ago. Now, it ranks #30 while a couple of days ago, it kept changing position from #15-#21 for the same keyword but it now only yields 6-7 million results. More than half are gone!

    Also, how about the idea of writing around 50-100 articles and submitting all of them to Ezine? Would it help get more natural rankings quickly?

    I also would like to tell you that I do NOT have a single outbound link except to my affiliate and I am using go.php method. I was thinking that it could be a problem? Having low outbound number of links? I could perhaps link to .GOV sites related to my content? I recently also got hold of two PR6 links so I was actually hoping that it would work well for me but I guess it's not?

    Btw, I am NOT doing anything spammy either :) Your thoughts on this?
     
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  13. WebHostAdvisor

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    #13
    It seams that google's rankings are getting more unstable as of late. I am not sure why this is happening, I have seen it on my sites as well.
     
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    One more question, have you seen it affect your traffic, if not then who cares where you are at if you are getting the traffic you need.
     
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  15. samzach

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    It has nailed the traffic and not in a good way :s
     
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    #16
    I disagree in that a penalty doesn't have to be a blacklisting but can be just that - a penalty that kicks you back BUT with Google doing what it's doing right now (fairly significant update) I think it's premature to base any solid opinion other than what they ight be testing out.

    Rankings are bouncing around to the point where I can hit refresh for some competitive phrase and see 3 and sometimes 4 different sets of results so I'd hold onto your hat and wait it out a few days before determining exactly what Google's doing to your site.
     
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  17. fr@nc!z

    fr@nc!z Active Member

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    Since you say that you go down and then you go up again, i can say you are not penalize... It all nothing but an SE datacenter factor. Relax, its just normal. Even I experienced that.
     
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  18. samzach

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    That's EXACTLY what I am experiencing! The results are changing in the fraction of a second!

    fr@nc!z: I have been for around 2 months now. It's getting very frusrating! Gets even more difficult to bear when you see your competitor buying links like CRAZY and getting the top positions:S
     
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    schgrv Active Member

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    These things are ordinary and happening time to time. People are using other articles for site content. BUt it's not gonna harm you. These days articles are not gud way to get traffic. But people still do just for backlinks. Might be from Ezine you cud get some traffic but others are worthless for traffic purpose, they just give you backlinks not more than this. BUt somewhere i think article submission is still helpful. But you need not to delete your copied articles them. It's happening me also and everyone facing this problem. This does not mean you are loosing your SE positions. That's other thing they not gonna give u benefit.............

    It's google game this thing not in your hands. These days i am watching many threads where people discussing same thing that there is so much fluctuation in rankings. You shud continue with your seo work and have passions because for me seo is the combination of two things gud analyzation and passions.

    No doubt Ezine is still gud resource of traffic if you have gud and quality articles.

    Outbound links never help to gain rankings. If use outbound link on that time google consider it is some thing +ve but if you are hoping that they wud help you in SE rankings then it is only MYTH. If it is possible then everyone can provide outbound link to famous site and cud gain higher rankings..........................
     
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  20. PR_7

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    I think that's because google is ready to update pr very soon,
    so search result is dancing.
     
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