The first thing that people say when looking for help is 'where are the Americans?' The people you see screaming in the streets are the people biting the hand that feeds them. The US provided a lot of relief to the Pakistani tribal areas after some really bad earthquakes a couple of years ago.
absolutely not true... "where are the americans"???? where did you see this? its absurd to claim anybody wants US soldiers in their country...please post some proof or a link or anything...
Why is the North Atlantic Military fighting in Asia? NATO is operating outside it's specific sphere. Is this the beginning of a global army that draws from member nations and goes around implementing imperial agenda on a whim? It will be interesting to see if the home domestic fronts of the contributing nations allow for the continuation of blood and treasure to flow to NATO, when their economies begin to tank.
Yeah, I think the boy with the blown off limbs was heard asking that in the hospital in Iraq. "Where are the Americans? I want my arms and legs back! I am just a little boy who wants to play soccer and Nintendo DS!" I also hear that is a popular refrain for people who have been renditioned. When they get to Egypt, and they are being flayed alive, for being the wrong race or color on an airplane flight, as they are being electrically shocked with wires off a table lamp, and hung upside down for days on end, those poor, innocent bastards are prone to ask, "Where are the Americans?".
yes , you are absolutly right guerilla, its very sad the USA dont accept international Laws but they want 100% international support (be with us or against us) . but i guess another big prob is the US propaganda nowadays. after the WW2 the GI's dont belive this propaganda movies (1 called "Your Job in Germany" )
And that means what? I'm asking why NATO is now functioning outside it's mandated area of operations, which is the North Atlantic. If they can go anywhere in the world, then they are a global army, right?
Bogart, it is useless to try to debate people who always blame America for anything that is wrong on the planet. There seems to be an attitude that the world would be without wars and violence if the USA would just mind their own business. What a warped perspective of reality. The picture of the maimed child is a cheap shot. How about showing pictures of the hundreds of thousands of the civilians killed and maimed under Saddam? Life was cheap and fragile under Saddam. How about showing pictures of all of the maimed civilians as a result of suicide bombings in Iraq, or the GIs who have been captured and tortured or had their eyes gouged out? The overwhelming number of casualties in Iraq have been a result of insurgents who think they have succeeded if they kill three GIs or 10 Iraqi police in a suicide bombing while also killing 50 innocent Iraqi civilians. Yet, the culprits behind these attacks get a free pass. Where is the criticism against them? There isn't any criticism of the terrorists from the Blame America First crowd. This is just a play on words. There isn't any mandated area of operations defined as the North Atlantic. That would exclude operations in Italy and Greece. Canada is also a NATO member.
You need to read the NATO treaty. The US was attacked in North America in an attck originating from Afganistan. "The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area." http://www.nato.int/docu/basictxt/treaty.htm
Security has been restored and maintained. Or would you have us believe that camel herders and poppy farmers are going to launch an attack on the US? I mean really man, these are people, many of whom have no documentation, let alone an ability to write, or will ever see a dentist in their lifetime. What are they going to do, come to NYC and throw rocks at people and beat them with tree branches?
This is irrational. You want to take the credit for promoting world peace, and use that as a justification for the use of force and the militarization of the world. But when someone brings up ethics, war crimes or civilian casualties, then you retreat and say it's all "blame America". Make up your mind. Either the US is a benign force in the world, or it is the world's largest army, it outspends every other country in the world on weaponry, and has military bases in hundreds of countries around the world, occupying some countries like Japan and Korea for decades. The notion that we're the white knight but our sword doesn't draw blood like every other sword is silly.
We have have to finish the job. All it takes it a pipe bomb or one of thoseradical enginering students to design a bomb and you lose another building.
Right, those radical students at the University of Kabul. Bogart, most of these people live in dirt hovels. They don't have electricity. In the tribal areas, they still fetch water from a well. You're talking about murdering innocent people living centuries in the past, for the crime of living on their ancestral land, and defending it as any of us would defend our own homes. You want to finish a mission, capture Bin Laden and have a public trial. This entire war on terror is a farce. It's designed as a war that can never end, there is never enough payback, you can never drop enough bombs, or compromise enough civil liberties. Here is what Hermann Goering had to say about war at the Nuremberg trials... "Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
Hermann Goering was a smart guy but he spent most of WW2 indulging himself and drunk. The confinement at Nuremberg got Goering in better shape and dwon to his fighting weight. As a recall he had a cynaide pill hidden in a hollow tooth and committed suicide before he could be hung.
This is why I like you. ^^^ I can pull similar to Goering from Mein Kampf or Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld's PNAC document. The bottom line, is that you and I are stooges. These wars are planned long in advance, they are based on greed and ideology, not liberty or defense. And a lot of innocent people get slaughtered, and while my heart aches for them, I also worry that we are creating a monster that will come back to haunt us for generations. Like it or not, pre-emptive aggressive war is a regressive, caveman mentality. It's the bully with the big club beating up women, children, anyone in a shakedown based on fear and violence.
That doesn't change trying to assign blame for us dropping the ball to others. I however distinctly remember when NATO went in some member countries spoke of only going in on a peace keeping aspect, not an offensive one. If I can find a link I will gladly, just waking up
And also there were weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq. And the world is flat and lies on a big cows horns
International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) had a mission to provides safe conditions during the Afganistan elections in Kabul. NATO assumed command of the ISAF on August 11, 2003. In December 2003, the North Atlantic Council authorized the expansion of ISAF beyond Kabul to bring the rest of Afghanistan under Afghani government control. http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2004/June/20040628132214ESnamfuaK0.1864435.html