do you think soldiers are heroes or the losers ?

what do you think of a soldiers, that goes willingly to war/kill and people who chooses military carrier over education

do you respect veterans ??

are they heroes or a losers ??

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The military can be a good job. One of the issues is 'up or out' that makes it difficult to get your 20 years.

 

They are heroes actually.

But you can make your mind other way around, like they are brain washed idiots who die for others, country etc.

 

I have to agree with Idiot Inside

On the one hand they are heroes, because they fight for their fatherland,
but on the other hand they can be losers, if they are brainwasched idiots.

 

Anybody know the history of the flying tigers in WW2?

 

i think anyone who sacrifices themselves for others or any kind of "ideology" are losers- but it's me , I'm too self-loving..

plus i have an idea if they kill someone, even "on duty"- it's not too good for a brain, they would dream and have "blood feeling" for the rest of their life, no??

 

There are all kinds. Not all soldiers are heroes. It's not the soldier alone, but the man as well. There are heroes, losers and others. You cannot brand all soldiers heroes.

I love general patton and smedley butler.

 

Most are good people with well intentions. No, not everyone's a hero, so I won't go and say every serviceman who wears the uniform is my hero, but I respect them for it.

However, there are some I don't respect at all, like those in the video that tortured the animals (throwing puppies off cliff or shooting stray dogs and watch them suffer), in fact if I were to see them in person I would probably rip their head off their shoulders.

Depends on the individual.

 

Most are people doing they only job they are qualified to do. The military rarely have recruitment drives in prestigious universities and regularly have them in car parks of shopping malls in districts where education is low and poverty is high. it demonstrates the types of people they want and more importantly the types of people they are willing to sacrifice.

They are neither heroes nor losers, They are regular people doing what they can to receive a wage.

I once asked a friend of mine why he joined the army, He said; "because McDonalds wouldn't give me a job". He said it in jest, But many a true word is said in jest.

 

everyone is an individual

 

I don't think there losers, blaming the troops seems like a Vietnam era thing to me. I don't know anyone who hates the men and women in our armed forces.

 

well the army is not exactly ones first choice in life is it? fact is the huge majority join in return for CA$H...this kinda takes the hero element out of it...

when discussing are soldiers heroes we have to know what army they belong to...it does not take a lot of guts to bomb 3rd world countries from 30.000 feet from some stealth bomber...fighting the worlds #1 military superpower for free takes a lot more guts than belonging to the #1 military for cash...

i find it hard to have respect for somebody who is a gun for hire and who fights for other peoples political agendas in other countries...the word tool comes to mind...

for example id respect the US army if it was truly volunteer and people went to fight and die what they believe in for FREE...but we all know they would not get 1% of the recruits if it was not for CA$H

did i mention the CA$H? lol...

 

Yep. All the way back to childhood, when I had a model P-40 gas-powered model airplane.

 

A soldier who dies *truly* defending the freedoms of their country is a hero. Think American Revolution.

A soldier who dies in a foreign country over pointless struggles for power is just a pawn in a sick game played by politicians who deserve to die.





The saying goes, in war there are no winners.

 

Most hereos don't intend to sarifice themselves. They risk their lives in dangerous situations to perform their missions or back-up thier fellow soilders.

I guess you wouldn't be running into any burning buildings to save a baby. I hope you don't work for a fire department.

You think to much. Life isn't a movie.

The flying tigers were heros and they provided victories during the dark days of WW2 after Pearl Habor and the fall of the Phillipines. The AVG 'Flying Tigers' were officially credited with 297 enemy aircraft destroyed.

On April 15, 1941, an unpublished executive order went out under his signature, authorizing reserve officer and enlisted men to resign from the Army Air Corps, Naval and Marine air services for the purpose of joining the American Volunteer Group in China. Pilots were paid $600 a month and $500 for each Japanese plane destroyed. That was a lot of money for the time. A private in the US Army earned $50 a month.

The Flying Tigers were led by Claire L. Chennault a captain in the United States Army Air Corps, retired from active duty in 1937. They had thier share of colorful characters. Gregory "Pappy" Boyington was one of the most colorful. He was the only member of the Flying Tigers AVG to boast a "regular" rather than a reserve commission when he left U.S. service to fly for China. Probably the Marines were happy to be rid of him, a hard-drinking brawler who was over his head in debt. Boyington was credited with 6 AVG kills and 22 more flying with the famed 214 'Black Sheep' squadron with the US Marine corp. Boyington served time as a POW in Japan and was also awarded the Medal of honor.

Another flying tiger, Charles H. Older, had a career total of 18 confirmed and 5 probables but is more famous as the presiding judge of the "Helter Skelter," trial of Charles Manson and his followers.

 

They should get paid since they are people just like you and I.
They have to eat and feed their family, money is not an issue here...

 

People should be paid for thier work

 

well if the join the army for the money they can hardly be called "heroes"

plus lets not forget that the enemy of the US army fights for FREE and THEY TOO have to feed their families...

sorry i dont see the heroic part in somebody who could not score a job at mcdonalds and then joins the army (who will take almost anybody)...sounds like societys rejects to me...

oh really? how much "soldiers" would the US army have if it was not for the $$$? so you see the money is a very very very very important issue...without the money the patriotism and ideals seem to melt like icecream in the hot sun...

any argument such as "they need to get payed" sinks in the water considering the opposing army really fights for free!...


a real hero would be superman for example...can you imagine supes saving and old lady from a burning car and asking for 400$? NO because real heroes do their deeds for free (unlike the US army) so there really is no comparison....

a fireman who volunteers and saves and old lady from a burning building is a true hero...

 

That's a good sign that the person isn't a good fit. However, when I was in the military, I saw many people that didn't move up and chose to stay in anyway. They didn't get kicked out. Usually they were absolutely horrible leaders.

On the other hand, if too many people decided to make it a career they'd end up with "too many chiefs and not enough Indians", such as the Air Force.

 

Not so much that the person isn't a good fit. Usually in the peace time army if you have reached nco rank after a couple of enlistments, the military puts a bar on your re-enlistment. I think it's a cost thing. Because after 8 years in these guys have dependents and the costs of medical, housing, and dependent payments can triple the base pay.