Terrorist Attack in Jerusalem - 4 killed, 20+ injured

if you don't want to make peace with your enemy, who do you want to make peace with?
any way if israel make an agreement that stands to a vote on both side[israeli/palestanian] then it will hold.
it has to be fair. hamas is not the only problem. settelers are also a problem

 

I didnt say we want no peace with hamas.
I said that hamas doesnt recognize Israel as if we are non existant - How can you make peace with an invisible guy? Furthermore they dont want peace in any case so its a "bit" hard.

 

"we working on it now with Abu-Mazen"?

Abu-Mazen is a Palestinian leader not Palestinian leaders nor Palestinians, Israel puts conditions for "talking" not for peace, when they should not put conditions for either,

I think if Israel was serious about peace then it will not need to talk, they need to act, if they do not know what to do, they can refer to UN resolutions which they did not implement.

not only to talk with a Palestinian leader who is willing to fight his own people to stay in power, its Palestinians who chose their leaders not Israel.

 

peace should be with all palestannians. if the result of negotiations is accepted in a vote of all palestanians and israelis then it will hold. Israeli govt just like bush have wasted a lot of time that should have been used in talking and negotiations.
israeli and palestanians both must push their leaders for peace. neither has a choice. they are living in the same neighberhood. that is not going to change.
maybe their relashionship will change.

 

Hi,
That's true - as far as I know, Israelis saw's that Abu-Mazen is powerless and can't help with peace talks so they started to talk with Hamas, seems like Hamas want peace same as Abu-Mazen.

I guess it's a simple logic? both sides want to stop the killing of innocent peoples.

Tho, I think that Israeli government failed with the peace process and fighting terrorism.

Let's hope for a better future

 

I do not think there is anybody who does not want peace, in both sides, the problem resides in how each side understands the word peace, and peace process.

If there were talks it should include all leaders from all parties, big or small, when Hamas was a minority, and FATAH had the power, peace did not come, many joined HAMAS then, cos what were happening on ground was described by HAMAS as useless and that only force can bring back what has been taken by force, and what was going on was seen by many as a proof they were right.

talks should be about schedules, not conditions.

 

Hi,
Well, I don't think the force help them.
When there was a quiescence in Israel vs Gaza, the Hamas kidnap Israeli soldier and the Attacks vs the Terrorists started again, I'd say it was pretty stupid move by Hamas since from quiescence -> the Israeli Army IDF started with deep operations to find the soldier inside Gaza and the Palestinian peoples pay with their life because of stupid move by Hamas, many of them got killed for no reason.

So I can only assume that back then the Radicals (Maybe Iranians) forced Hamas to make Chaos so Israeli Army IDF will start to seek & distroy terrorists so they can say "Israel do that and that".

Maybe Hamas stopped listen to them? since I see they made cease-fire and stopped the Rocket and Terror act, who know - it might bring peace process to talks. what Abu-Mazek and Olmert failed to do.

 

So your response to being a liar is to call me pathetic.



I guess you can not show me where I state what you claim, would appear to me the true 'pathetic' one would be you

 

As I see things at the moment, there is no Palestinian partner to talk with.

Hamas is of course no option, I even can't believe that some people think of having negotiation with a terror organization.

Abu Mazen is the only option, but because he is out of control and has absolutely no power in Gaza and very little in the West Bank it's going to be very difficult.

As long as organization like Hamas are controlling the region, no peace we will be made. It's a sad thing to think about, but that's the reality.

 

Has anyone wondered, how did they had all those cameras around, even before "terrorist" got killed ??

 

Hi,
Not sure what you mean?
You mean how come all Media was there at the same time?

 

This is just an excuse. This has been going on for years now. It is a neocon stupid assumption that we can not talk to this one or that one.
you have to negotiate with your enemy to make peace. There is nothing unusual about this.
every door you close you close it on yourself.

 

yea, it's what i mean... even before they shot him

 

Oh, because he did the crime proximate to BBC TV station building..

 

Hi,
Yeah I agree.
I think it could be easier if they could stop the Rockets and sending suicides etc, it's just make all harder and harder.

 

i agree with you palestanians should switch to passive resistance,

 

Very true. I agree. Countries which have advanced militaries and have mastered the expertise of killing "others" don't really go for the peace option. We've seen it for 40 years now. Peace can only be made amongst equals. But when one side is a heavily militarized state and the other happens to be a hapless non-entity, then you cannot have peace. The stronger side will always find excuses.

 

Egypt
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It would seem the side making excuses for not making peace with enemies is the Palestinians. Have they ever made a peace deal and stuck to it? Israel has.

 

I wanna remember you all in Oslo agreements with the "Palestinians", that was supposed to be "peace" agreements:

- Israel gave up on lot of land.
- Israel and the west gave the "Palestinian Authority" weapons.

and in exchange we got more bombings, more terrorists, and absolutely no peace.

 

Yeah, Israel has made peace deal with Egypt and Jordan when those two states gave up on Gaza and West bank which they were previously holding.Why didn't Israel made peace with Syria at same time?
You have to be dumb as rock to believe that all Israel don't wants is to keep as much land as they can. Peace deal can be singed next they if Palestinians give up on their homeland.

More lies from zionists...
After Oslo agreements nothing has changed. Israel continued to expand and build new settlements on occupied territories.
You and what you post here is clear proof that zionists weren't honest where they signed Oslo accords.
The peace can come within a days when zionists give up on their dream to stole the land that don't belongs to them.