Grand Jury Clears Texan in the Killing of 2 Burglars

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  1. sawz

    sawz Prominent Member

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    #81
    absolutely, that old bastard is a murderer.

    no civil suits there. but they can enter the country illegally, go to that old bastards house and kill him.

    ain't Texas wonderful?
     
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  2. guru-seo

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    #82
    The law is the law and it is very clear. In this case it was the verdict of a jury that overwrote the law. And we all know what a carefully selected jury can do.
     
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    #83
    The old guy probably saved the lives of other illegal aliens that these guys would have raped and killed. In the area of Juarez on the US border hundreds of Mexican women have been raped and killed.
     
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    #84
    You are applying typical Bush logic here. Assume all illegal aliens are rapist and murderers therefore we must kill them before they commit crimes into the future. Nice!
     
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    #85
    I understand that you only see that two robbers were running away from a crime scene and they were shot. Neither of us knows the exact details that were presented in court that convinced the jury to find this man innocent.

    Beyond that your "what if" scenerio is just plain antagonistic.

    You are correct that my position here is in support of the citizen. I applaud the law that allows people to shoot a thief. This Texas law is something new. I like it and you don't. That's life.

    Just for the record, it's not my intention to piss you off. We just don't agree.
     
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    #86
    Hmmm...

    Where did that come from? Bush doesn't think the illegals are rapists and murders. He want's them in the country. :confused:

    ...Kill them before they commit crimes? They were fleeing the crime scene with two bags of loot.

    Your post is invalid on both points.
     
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  7. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

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    #87
    Female homicides in Ciudad Juárez involves the violent death of hundreds of women since 1993 in the northern Mexican city of Ciudad Juárez, Chihuahua, a border city across the Rio Grande from the U.S. city of El Paso, Texas.

    According to Amnesty International, as of February 2005 more than 370 bodies had been found, and over 400 women were still missing.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_homicides_in_Ciudad_Juárez
     
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    #88
    It was Bush that said that those who harbour terrorists are terrorists. Why did he not attack Saudi Arabia? After all 19 of the 911 terrorists were from there. Applying the same logic as a comparison is valid as the poster is a Bush supporter hence the connection.

    I don't think you are capable of rational thinking so I could not, even if I tried have a logical conversation with your flawed and skewed point of view about this particular issue. You have made up your mind so why waste my time talking to you anymore about it?

    Since when is theft punishable by DEATH in this country? Why don't you move to Saudi Arabia buddy, you will love the Friday executions over there. They take the barbarism a step further over there, they will just chop your head off. I don't want the USA to be held at the same standards as Saudi Arabia do you?
     
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    #89
    btw, did you guy heard that 911 call or read the transcript. It totally show his intention is not to stop them, but to shoot and kill them
     
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    #90
    No, to be clear, what I said is:

    No, it isn't. These are quite logical extensions of what could quite possibly happen, and what you would logically propose is justifiable in the face of those eventualities:

    And these merit consideration.

    Mine is, as well, in support of the citizen. Which is why I find such a law deeply troubling, because it opens up the right of one citizen to frag another citizen, without the presence of a reasonable perception of imminent lethal harm. While it's not my intention to make you feel one way or the other, I categorically disagree with your view and call into question the illogic you have applied in arriving at such a view.
     
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    #91
    Again, you are off target in your response. I am certain that you are not responding the the post that you quoted.

    1) You stated that Bush thinks illegals are rapists and murders. I stated that Bush wants illegals to become legal citizens. Point one is not valid.

    2) You then stated that Bush wants us to kill illegals before they commit crimes. I merely pointed out that the two thiefs were fleeing the crime scene with two bags of loot. As you cannot see the error in your statement, let me offer that this did not occur before they committed a crime, hence point two is not valid.

    Then you go off on Saudi Arabia? After this rant you feel that I am the irrational one in this conversation?

    Stick to the point.
     
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    #92
    and when that happens, they'll be facing the horrible truth of serious jail time.

    i wonder how many faces of color were on that jury.

    ain't Texas wonderful?
     
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    #93
    There was something in this case that allowed the jury to set this man free. I would no presume for one second that the next shooter would be so lucky.

    You guys all assume that I am thinking that it is OK to shoot people. I don't. However, I do like that fact that the shooter was able to protect himself, or the neighbor's property, whichever the case may be, and not be convicted as the criminal.

    Your second question has no validity and only serves to cloud the discussion with implied racial overtones.

    Your third point is right on the money. Texas IS wonderful!
     
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    #94
    Not sure where we got the idea.

     
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    #95
    i'll bet money it was an all white jury. hows that for "racial overtones".

    and i'll also bet the district attorney tries to bring charges again, and the old bastard won't be so lucky next time.


    ain't Texas wonderful? no its not. right now its a place that condones murder and this story is far from being over.
     
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    #96
    I bet most of us have a pretty good idea about how you really feel. I think the jury in this case made the wrong call. This is a pretty clear and cut case, probably an inexperienced prosecutor is to blame as well for this murderer to walk free.
     
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    #97
    i have no problem defending ones own property, i have no problem with using deadly force. i do have a problem with the state of Texas for their bungling of this case.

    hopefully the next DA that brings this to a new jury will do a better job.

    yes, there will be a new grand jury, double jeopardy does not apply here.
     
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    #98
    I really do hope so, or else it will be another X for justice.
     
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    #99
    Check out the CBS coverage of the story. Looks like the shooter went out to stop them from getting away and they came into his yard and threatened him. His acquittal was based on the Texas "Castle Law", which gave him the right to protect his neighbor's property.

    CBS offered no information on the race of the jurors.

    http://cbs3.com/topstories/Joe.Horn.burglars.2.761019.html
     
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    #100
    What now...did you miss the fact that they were shot in the back???
     
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