That's a crock mate...the record you are playing still plays the same song "all those religious people are told what to do and say"...but in reality, you will never get off your backside to find out what the truth is in regards to how we learn. You simply have no idea at all.
All of us live in the Matrix .. @Cormac, you are on dot mate, we all were there said tat at some point .. /G
People in religions don't learn. All that happens is they are obedient, accept anything they are told and don't ask questions. That is the opposite of learning. Look how many times you have referred people to the others when they have asked you something. Remember this? that was your response to iul asking you half a dozen questions, Mostly regarding your opinion on something. yet for some reason, you aren't even capable of forming your own opinion anymore. You couldn't answer questions he asked you because you hadn't yet been told what answer to give, So you thought you had best cut out the middle man and send him directly to your collective to ask them what you should think. It's really is sad, And i'm not saying that to be facetious, I really mean it. I pity you. You have been sucked into this crap to the point where you think that using your own brain is a crime against the collective. It's a waste of a life and i'm sure if god did exist he would be wholly against practically everything you stand for.
i like religious people, they are pretty easy to make business of who holds qurans copyrights BTW ?? maybe it's about the time to add one extra virgin ?
You really do live behind a veil, don't you? Your statements make no sense at all. "If God did exist"? How can you say this at the same time as "God does not exist"? Makes no sense at all. You can't use that reasoning at all because it does not work...you are trying to put a value on a God you believe is not valid...get the point? You are shooting blanks! You can say anything you like about me or the people that are in our organisation, but is there is any real value or weight to your argument when you use reasoning such as this?? Hardly! Trust me. Don't waste one ounce of pity on me. I feel perfectly fine in what I believe and what I am doing about it. At the very least I have sound presence of mind because of a solid hope in the near future. What have you got? Reality? Exactly what does your view of reality bring to people? Hope? In what?
An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on the problem science has with God, The Almighty. He asks one of his new students to stand and..... Prof: So you believe in God? Student: Absolutely, sir. Prof : Is God good? Student: Sure. Prof: Is God all-powerful? Student : Yes. Prof: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn't. How is this God good then? Hmm? (Student is silent.) Prof: You can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young fella. Is God good? Student: Yes. Prof: Is Satan good? Student : No. Prof: Where does Satan come from? Student: From...God... Prof: That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student: Yes. Prof: Evil is everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student: Yes. Prof: So who created evil? (Student does not answer.) Prof: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don't they? Student: Yes, sir. Prof: So, who created them? (Student has no answer.) Prof: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son...Have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Tell us if you have ever heard your God? Student: No, sir. Prof: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God for that matter? Student: No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't. Prof: Yet you still believe in Him? Student: Yes. Prof: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my faith. Prof: Yes. Faith. And that is the problem science has. Student: Professor, is there such a thing as heat? Prof: Yes. Student: And is there such a thing as cold? Prof: Yes. Student: No sir. There isn't. (The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this turn of events.) Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold . Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat . We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy . Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it . (There is pin-drop silence in the lecture theatre.) Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Prof: Yes. What is night if there isn't darkness? Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light....But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? In reality, darkness isn't. If it were you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you? Prof: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student: Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed. Prof: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student: Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one.To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor.Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Prof: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do. Student: Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The Professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument is going.) Student: Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher? (The class is in uproar.) Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor's brain? (The class breaks out into laughter.) Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain,sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir? (The room is silent. The professor stares at the student, his face unfathomable.) Prof: I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son. Student: That is it sir... The link between man & god is FAITH . That is all that keeps things moving & alive. NB: I believe you have enjoyed the conversation...and if so...you'll probably want your friends/colleagues to enjoy the same...won't you?.... this is a true story, and the student was none other than......... APJ Abdul Kalam, the former president of India .
I'm smiling here That's some pretty good reasoning there. However, I could not see that happening too often without the teacher clipping the student's ears...LOL
it's a hypothetical (look it up). Going by what religious people claim this god is, If he existed (which i don't think he does), then he would appalled at the way people neglect their intellect and fail to use the brain he gave them. I assume you believe god gave you your brain and intelligence, yet in the defence of your religious beliefs you purposefully fail to use it. If your god gave you reason, logic and intelligence don't you think it odd that in order to continue with your religious beliefs you are required to ignore all of them. The evidence is there to suggest you aren't able to form your own opinions anymore and the evidence is there that what you are allowed to believe is determined by your "organisation". otherwise you wouldn't have referred iul to people who knock on his door, People who you don't even know, instead of answering questions he directed at you personally. Essentially you said "ask my leaders what i am supposed to think". I can't consciously decide not to pity someone. I do feel sorry for you. Everything you stand for is imaginary, anti-science, grounded in obedience and prosophobic. You go out of your way to deny the obvious and you go out of your way to remain ignorant. For 100s of years humans have been making progress and explaining very complicated things, but this frightens you. and why? because it contradicts a 2000 year old myth. How can i not pity that? How can i not pity someone in the 21st century who is afraid of science and progress? how can i not pity someone who goes out of their way to remain ignorant? madmax, that contrived fabricated story has been attributed to lots of people, including Einstein. it's a lie perpetuated by the religious to make it look like a credulous follower got the better of a scientific literate.
Your use of words here fails to show me why I or anyone else would even consider communicating with you. Repeatedly, you label me and my friends quickly without actually finding out evidence to the fact. That shows me you to be completely and utterly ignorant....and here's you calling me ignorant?? You know the truth about one thing you said? Here's the answer.."nothing frightens me"...PERIOD! I have seen enough in my lifetime to prove that men (or boys) like you have done NOTHING to improve man's existence on this earth. You show me where your hope lies in the slowing down of the mortality rate of children each day on the earth, or your hope in the reduction of crime, hunger, corruption or pestilence? Where are your answers? What do you tell all of these people that are suffering from these things? "Get over it, it's only gonna get worse"? or something to that effect? The only thing you are good for is to use that loosed tongue of yours to slander and break down people that actually DO HAVE AND PROVIDE HOPE! You continuously put words in my mouth. That is nothing but SLANDER! I have my own opinions but you reject them outright. Why? Because you can't entertain the fact that my opinion is based on what I have learned from the Bible and from my experience on this planet. You dismiss it completely. Your debate is weak because you lack humility. Humility is a quality very hard to come by. One has to work extremely hard just to get an ounce of it. Lad, you have a LOT of work to do!
Are you kidding me? In the last 200 years life expectancy has doubled because of science, Thanks science. In the last 100 years due to industrialisation more jobs have been made, Thanks science. Science has produced the art of agriculture which not only feeds us all but provides 35% of global employment, Thanks science. Science has produced inoculations for many of the worlds plagues that your god made (science 1 - god 0), Thanks science. Science has provided sanitation so that inoculations aren't needed, Thanks science. Science has given you the ability to parrot this shit on the internet, Thanks science. try praying for all these glorious innovations and see how far you get. try praying that god removes the shit from your house, feeds you, inoculates you from disease, educates you and provides you with transport. See how that works out for you, You ungrateful hypocrite. What hope do you provide? "do as we say and when you die you get to spend eternity worshiping some egotistical, insecure megalomaniac of a god"? yeah, thanks for that. thanks for your utterly worthless contribution to mankind. Do me and the rest of humanity a favour, Keep this crap to yourself while we try to make a real difference to the here and now. Now you show me where your hope lies in the slowing down of the mortality rate of children each day on the earth, or your hope in the reduction of crime, hunger, corruption or pestilence? Where are your answers? Or does your "hope" rely entirely on the afterlife, After we follow all of your rules and waste our short precious existence?
Thanks...you just proved to be exactly the person as I stated. Typically, you blame God for all the bad things...I find it mildly amusing you blame "something" that you are jumping up and down and defying "that something" exists. There's a wide crack in your case in this regard. Here's your hope teed up: Man tries to deny God. Man tried to do things his own way. Man rules man. Man makes many errors. Man ends up killing and oppressing man, woman and child. Man tries to have sex with all types of living and dead things. Man creates many types of chemicals and manipulates genes, cells and who knows what else. Man corrupts man. Man tries to coerce man into believing in man to fix man's problems man created in the first place. Man blames God for plagues (...LOOOL...) but Man denies God's existence....but still blames God for plagues.. Man wants man to fix man's problems in the world. Man's hope is in man. Period! Here's my hope teed up: God created Jesus. Together they created the universe. Together they created the Earth. Together they created humans to inhabit the Earth (Adam and Eve). God gives them everything they need to survive, be happy, procreate and fill the earth, and gave clear instructions (with one rule) but also free will. Woman listens to a serpent (Satan) and is deceived into thinking God is denying them things. Woman tells man and man agrees. Action is taken. God disciplines man and woman due to disobedience. God puts plan into action to completely undo all the bad things man (and Satan) has done. God allows time for man to see why man should not rule man. (have we learned yet? Clearly not but some have!) Yet! I know you will refute my hope because you are a man that denies God's existence.
I don't blame god, I don't believe it exists. I blame the mentality that religion infect people with. I despise the mentality which, while rejecting secular science, embraces everything it produces. I blame those hypocrites for not only failing to make any effort to make the world a better place but denies the remarkable work that secular science has done. You kind of fudged off into a ramble, So i'll ask you again. show me where your hope lies in the slowing down of the mortality rate of children each day on the earth, or your hope in the reduction of crime, hunger, corruption or pestilence? Where are your answers? I gave you our answers, real answers to real problems, Now let's hear yours.
You know what i meant. I meant the invisible, nonexistent entity which you believe created aids, TB, cancer and smallpox. Nice guy, isn't he... But don't let honesty and intellectual integrity get in the way of you intentionally misunderstanding and avoiding questions. Now, i'll ask you again. show me where your hope lies in the slowing down of the mortality rate of children each day on the earth, or your hope in the reduction of crime, hunger, corruption or pestilence? Where are your answers? I gave you our answers, real answers to real problems, Now let's hear yours.
You can't see the obvious sarcasm in that statement, no wonder why you got caught by your 'organisation'
So now I am meant to be a mind reader?? Oh please!! I am not going to answer your question because you can't answer truthfully about this statement you made. You are STILL blaming him. Yet, you deny HE exists...and you wonder why no one listens to you? Let's get to the point here...who do you believe created the world's plagues if it was not God? You know there's only one answer for this...just waiting if you can answer it straight up.
Seeing as we are unfamiliar with sarcasm, I shall close the register at this point, and state that 99 cents is the rental price I believe natural selection created the viruses and bacteria responsible for the worlds plagues. Now, For the third time, show me where your hope lies in the slowing down of the mortality rate of children each day on the earth, or your hope in the reduction of crime, hunger, corruption or pestilence? Where are your answers? I gave you our answers, real answers to real problems, Now let's hear yours.
It's incredible, anybody would tell that Cheap SEO is doing it on purpose, not to understand that when an attheist says God, he's not talking about the same thing as when a believer says God. But what if he isn't doing it on purpose? Although it may be unthinkable, in fact it is very possible, I am not surprised about anything coming from believers, they've given up so much common sense to be able to believe their thing that the way their understanding of EVERYTHING might be VERY different from myself and others. So it is possible he's not doing it on purpose!
and so you should. oh dear...so you are saying man has no involvement with any of the pestilence's we humans are afflicted with today? No involvement at all? My hope is that man will read and learn what the Bible teaches and live life the way it is meant to be lived. If everyone in the world did this, there would be no crime, hunger or corruption. Pestilence would still be here, there is no avoiding that without divine intervention. However, more funding to fight pestilence through medicine instead of funding for military practises would certainly alleviate this problem greatly. Death in this system is 100%. There's no avoiding that either. However, the mortality rate of children would be reduced by 99% if everyone in the world applied Bible principles. It is because what man is doing as ruler, that is causing the mortality rates of children to be so high. If the rulers in each nation actually looked after each person (including children) like they were supposed to, there would be hardly any mortality rate for children earth-wide. So, what part of this hope do you plan to pull apart?