I have 2 reasons to make this thread. 1: I saw the thread here about the you tube video claiming that "watercar" products were a scam. Lots of people agree and lots of people don't. I am really curious to see the numbers. 2: I have created my own watercar product. I have been testing it on paydotcom for a couple of weeks and my conversions are higher then the other I was promoting. I just changed my domain to cloak my site rather then the centemax product. This domain doesnt get ppc traffic. most traffic comes from yahoo answers, forum sigs and other random places like wikihow etc. My sales page is at: www.cargoh2o.com Your Hop Link: http://yourid.carparts.hop.clickbank.net/ Want to promote through PDC? See this: https://paydotcom.com/a.page.php?id=55822&u=swerd both networks pay 75% of $49.97 I think this is a quality sales page with good design. I would love to see a few affiliates give this a go as I think you will find it has higher conversions. Do I think its a scam? Well obviously not. Many people have said that they have actually installed one of these systems and they say it works. I have seen many videos like this one: http://au.video.yahoo.com/watch/2865566/8225092
I don't think they are a scam, and I have a simple, yet very powerful proof: the market. A popular product without much refunds over time means the product is good. All good Water-Fuel products are like this. nadavs
It's not proof. The fact is that most people don't attempt to get refunds on a money back guarantee, and I doubt most people even attempt to make the contraption. If you think mason jars will save you gas money, you're crazy. If you want to get down to "the market", I guarantee Walmart would be selling kits in their store.
From your words it looks like you are not 100% sure if its a scam or not. does that mean that you made such a product and didnt even build such a system yourself? Oh well i guess its just a "rewriting" of another run your car on water product then......Its because of products like yours of which the "original meaning" get lost that makes people thinks its a scam... Anyways Good Luck!
Although I am not excited to see yet another clone of the same watergas product. I actually like your website much more than most of the other products. Much cleaner!
I knew I would get flamed for posting this but I dont mind. Many people sell things that they havent tested out themselves. Like somebody said in another thread, the public know what its all about and the public have tested it for themselves. Thats why we are starting to see people on the news with their converted cars.
Hey. I used fireworks for the graphics and dreamweaver to hold it all togethor Yep, there sure are lots! Yea I didnt think anybody would get excited over the product so i posted a poll to go with it to try and add some more value to my post. + I have a new product coming in the next couple of days that i am focusing on and didnt want to post mulitple threads looking for affiliates. Thanks for the feedback everyone. Swerd
Many people don't know how to get refunds and that's the truth, it is a scam in the fact that it doesn't work, this has been scientifically proven (refer to the other water4gas threads). Take all these sites that offer unlimited game and movie downloads when you "search their database" when the reality is they don't have a database they simply tell you to go to torrents, that to me is another scam and yet some of these types of sites are massive money makers on clickbank despite the refunds. Just because every product isn't refunded does not mean it's not a scam.......
Actually most business offer a refund / guarantee. The reason why? Most marketers know that people are too damn lazy to seek their refund. In fact 95% do not seek a refund / use their warranty. Given this stat then it makes sense to proudly boast you will refund money as it will close a sale, and since the customer is very likely too lazy... you'll not be asked to refund their money.....
I must disagree with Supper. Refunds are not low because people are lazy... ...once upon a time I was promoting SatelliteTVforPC - 4 out 5 sales got a refund... Obviously people do refund when they do not like what they get. Like torrent sites (Membership Download Sites sold through CB - now that's a real SCAM)...
Selling a product is a thing, but having your own product that is "specific to build something" and you didnt even build it is another matter....It just shows the usefulness of your product........if someone never fixed a car,,,how can this someone possibly write a manual on how to fix cars... i dont want to sound harash but such products are only used to scum people and make any possible "good products" in the same niche looks scams as well....
Hahahhahaha... some of the worst specialist I have ever met are those who actually got their fancy University diploma... they can write u a book - but can not actually do or live by it... And some of the BEST mechanics I have ever met are those who never went to school... You can't generalize and call it "CRAP" just because he didn't actually try it on his car. He got the right to resell the thing (like most of the of CB products anyways)....
To the people that think its a scam: what do you think about the below videos? http://www.livevideo.com/video/08FA351008FC48C19CBDD20373E2DB74/hho-update-april-06-2008.aspx (look at the comments) this is the guys video blog: http://www.livevideo.com/byte312 Do you think that he is making all of this up? He doesnt seem to be promoting anything.. Although, Im sure in the future he will install his kits on other peoples cars and make a fortune. And I hope he does too.
It's a scam, why can you not understand that? You are talking about breaking the second law of thermodynamics (as quoted from another thread) so it doesn't matter how many videos you find on youtube or video live unless they have magically discovered how break the second law of thermodynamics then its crap! You are starting to go away off on a tangent just so you can justify promoting and now producing yet another water4gas product. Granted there are hydrogen cars in the making but they are far from attaching a jar to your engine with a few wires, baking soda and hoses that make a little bit of hydrogen.
I bought the HHO-Booster to run actual tests on it, but can't get it working yet. We are using 1500lt of diesel daily, and even a 10% saving would mean a lot of money in my pocket. The step by step guide wasn't step by step in the end, pretty complicated. On http://waterfuelscamexposed.blogspot.com I'm giving my honest opinion! If however you want, give me a free copy and I will gladly do the test for you and give my honest opinion with pictures daily if you want! Talk to me!
You said it yourself, such guides need practice for a possibility to make one that actually work. With theory alone its impossible. "Right to Resell the Thing" - mean getting a similar product and rewriting/copying it..am i right Oh well, the facts speak for themselves, the niche will die, even google are going to ban the ppc campaigns.... Water4Gas was a good manual to a certian extend. Then everything got screwed by runyourcaronwater.com, which copied hydrostar and started to say how much money hes making in this same forum. This was the biggest mistake ever since this forum is full of publishers...it was like telling where the gold is...then lot of people replicated a product that does not work.....it was just a matter of time...
I must say a few words about this because I've read a lot about this topic. Some people always throw "first law of thermodynamics" or "second law of thermodynamics" when talking about something like this to sound academic and educated. How much do you or human in general know about themodynamics or laws of nature? Does Sun move around the earth? How many years people had thought it this way? How much do human know about WATER? If human do know all the laws of nature, they should have used the cars millions of years ago or shouldn't use oil in the first place to power a car. Of course, comparing to many natural laws governing the unverse we have never explored, human's knowledge is extemely limited. Discovery something aganist the common sense and let the time to prove, that's how human evolves and making progress when you look back. Don't even mention "thermodynamics" are the laws of human observed, not the nature itself. The laws of thermodynamics may be confirmed everyday by the technology available but like I say we don't really know anything about the Universe compare to what we have yet to discover. Who knows what we may discover. What we "think we know about science and the universe" may change in 100 years just like it has throughout history. Put thermodynamics aside, who thought water could burn well years ago? How long human know it was not actually the water that burns it is hydrogen? People all can continue to be blind and look at the world through the eyes of other people or people can look through their own eyes. Who knows how it works because it want built by you. If it wasnt done by you then you are right to be a skeptic but until you do it yourself you can not say how it really works. I understand many people are not actually in the scientific world and they believe everything you hear or read without being critical of it. Having a few classes, reading a book, or degree does not mean you know everything. I know "I" dont know everything in the universe but i am not closed minded. Then again maybe you do know how everything in the universe works and you can explain what makes up the unknown calculated mass of the universe that has been dubbed dark matter. Also what is Dark energy really and why does it seem to increase the rate of expansion of the universe when gravity should be slowing it down. Its good to see at least one of these posts are not sheep that follow everyone else. If everyone would stop being spoon fed by the Media, and think outside the box (gas tank), we would be able to rid ourselves from the dependence of fossil fuels. I realize that such an inexpensive system (available TODAY) were mass released, it would cause a serious economic crisis. We wouldn't have any need for gas stations on every street corner in America, millions of people would be out of work, and international trade would become war...like the one we are in now. The only reason we don't hear anything about water fueled cars is because the US government and all the other G8 countries know that this is a VERY SIMPLY technology and they are trying to make it sound extremely complicated or too expensive to produce to steer people away from it until they (government politicians) can figure out a way to sell it and line their pockets with more profit. Until the majority knows the truth we are not free!