Copyright Infringement, Intellectual Property and Pirating

Honor isn't a priority for those on the free lane.

The bible asked people not to do certain things many many centuries back and people are still doing them. "FREE" is such a powerful word and people can't resist it's temptation.

We have a choice,

1] punish all those who download things for free, like the RIAA does.
2] Or we could enlighten people about these things and how honest people lose money because of wanton piracy and to buy things as much as possible and so on.

Often a compromise is needed. Because that brings best results for the aggrieved.

 

Your point is well taken, but I think we've done that, to an extent (tried to convince people that "good" people, not just "royalty," get hurt), but when I see as much evidence of the mindset as I see on this thread alone, then I think something a bit stronger might be required.

I early mentioned my "liberal" brother in law, who used to ripoff when Napster was free-sailing, sheepishly doing so (and therefore acknowledging it was wrong). I know Guerilla, for instance, has made statements leading me to conclude he disdains the concept of law, saying that all it can do is act retroactively (relative to a crime already committed), but in my brother in law's case, the deterrent very much worked. Once it was shown there was a possible penalty for doing it, once it was shown a part of his ass might be in a sling for stealing, he stopped, deleted all files from his computer and doesn't steal anymore. That's a good thing, in my opinion.

 

Most free downloader's are youngsters, who don't consider the ethical aspects much.

We need to look for solutions which are good for all involved.
Calling those who download music for free - thieves and RIAA lawsuits aren't solutions in my opinion.

 

I think negotiating with people that do things that are wrong, is very wrong.



Don't steal it. The RIAA just sues you. You technically are not forced to pay it.

I think things should go a lot further. France introduced the idea of banning you from the internet if you get caught three times downloading pirated stuff. I think that is perfect.

Not only that, if pirate with the intent of distributing and distributing with the attempt to profit from it, you should goto jail. There is absolutely no reason to tolerate this.

Free is a powerful word. You're right, but you're conscience is more powerful. Raping a woman is free. Stealing a car is free. Why not do those things too?

Someone has to be held responsible. Why not the account holder of the internet? The youngsters parents. I'm sure after they're forced to pay $20,000 in punitive damages, they'll keep little Junior in line.

 

Ignorant wrongdoer's should be given a chance of redemption. Not be punished outright.

That's a good idea. Should be a effective deterrent. But the internet shall be a rather empty place. Don't know if that is good or bad.

Is raping a woman, the more serious crime or downloading a song.
A wrong is a wrong. But there are lesser wrong's and greater wrong's.
And people think it wouldn't matter if they did a little evil. The little evils add up and we have a mega evil.

 

Actually, people already download movies, music and games. They already share books and manuals. This is going on whether it is legal or not. I'm seeking to make the point that the law is irrational, and it should be brought into line with a sound concept of what property truly is.

There already is hazard of penalty, and that is not stopping people. Because it's an unenforceable law. It's unenforceable because it is unnatural.

Yes I seek a change in the law because we have to live under it. One day blacks were slaves, the next they were free men. That is what the law can accomplish with "property".

I'm not going to post my sites here. I've got people who intentionally post lies, stalk me and send me racist reputation comments.

Why can you not except that there is another paradigm at work? Obviously the creator of something is indeed the creator and always will be, however, that does not mean it cannot be created or re-created by someone else! In this regard, the legal fiat that provides monopoly power to the first person with the idea, or rather, the first person to beat a path to the USPTO is not rational.

This again is based on a false notion. That IP is property. That is I invent something in America, and someone invents the same thing in Africa, but I did it first, the African inventor cannot own his own work. How absolutely ridiculous!

That's fine and dandy, but 50 years or whenever your license to own runs out, everyone is going to do whatever the hell they want with your book. If enough people get together and lobby government, we can shorten your copyright period to 2 years, and can compete directly with you ASAP. That's how the law works. Whatever we want to make it, it is. Right or wrong, rational or irrational.

One day a black man is a slave (property). Then next day, we change the law and he is a free man. One day a Jew is a German citizen. We change the law, and the next day Jews are being exterminated in camps. That's the law.

It's not meaningless. Time and time again, studies have shown that offering a good digitally for free, increases the sales of the physical (licensed) manifestation. No one can prove loss, because it is not provable, and any studies that attempt to actually show a gain!

Now I'm not a consequentialist, but the case for profit is absolute bollocks.

 

Right, because it's ok to drop bombs on civilians, or steal with no-bid contracts, but heaven forbid an 11 year old downloads a song off of limewire or some other service. We should totally destroy his family financially for that.

Hey, I want you to know, I have copied your website. It's in my browser cache. I have a copy on my computer. What do you intend to do about it?

 

So? You're a libertarian and you're familiar with indifference when it comes to the law. Don't steal, don't run into any trouble. It's an amazing philosophy.

Not a thing. You have a right to put it on your computer. You do not have a right to put it up as your own content and/or profit from it, unless I get you permission.

Where's your website? oh wait, you won't post it because someone might actually apply your philosophy to it.l

 

Brilliant my friend. Excellent.

But I wonder, those who would agree with you, why would they justify a progressive income tax, which punishes people who earn more? Isn't it the same principle, that taking from those who have productive gains or accumulate wealth and redistributing or leeching off of it is inherently immoral and theft?

Well, true socialism or communism doesn't respect intellectual or private property rights. Those who argue for partial social control of the means of production, or "public/social goods" really don't have much of a leg to stand on in this argument because their position would be inconsistent.

 

The highest law for a libertarian is the NAP. Not worshiping or trying to master the tools of coercion and authority. As I have written, you couldn't have been a libertarian, you don't have any understanding of the philosophy.

Yeah, but I have a copy. I might distribute it to others for free. I might distribute it all over the world. Can you stop me?

LOL. I don't get hung up on copyright or trademark. If someone can out SEO or SEM me with my own stuff, kudos to them. I'm certainly not going to waste one minute on filing a DCMA notice or complaining to an ISP. You don't make money by minimizing damages. You make money by maximizing conversions.

 

All property rights are enforced by violence.

No I can't. But if the government would come in and do it's duty and lock you up I could.

Where's your website?

Where's your website?

 

Guerilla, I'm done discussing with you until you post your website. One thing is acting as retardedly obtuse as you possibly can to stagnate debate, but your inability to allow someone to apply your philosophy just shows your true hypocritical motives.

Website me.

 

Taxes reward laziness and people who do nothing while taking from people who work hard and do creative things. That's what the "rich dad, poor dad" book says. It's true too.

But how do you tax lazy people who don't have much of an income.

 

This has been addressed before. No, they are not.

But I just thought you defined it as calling it my own, or using it to create revenue. Sharing it for free, from my cache to others isn't a crime, is it?

Hey, I think my ISP may have cached it too! Maybe we should sue them for punitive damages! What's your 10 month earnings on the blog? We'll multiply it by a factor of three gajillion!

On the internet. Where people are caching it hundreds of times daily...

 

I'm going to hold you to this. Hallalujah lord, I have been set free!

rotflmao. I spent the last half hour going over my domain portfolio to find a site I don't mind P&R psychos knowing about. But you just gave me an incentive NOT to share it.

 

Hmm, no website here.

Where's your website?

Where's your website?

Where's your website?

Where's your website? Oh why oh why is he not posting it. He said the content has absolutely no value, so he shouldn't have a problem. I wonder where the website is? Why is he hiding it? Is he afraid someone might actually apply his philosophy?

Where's your website?

 

LOL. You might want to copyright that term.

Do you want to see my website. There's nothing there. I mean "nothing".

 

Bye bye! PM me when you change your mind! Then I will have an incentive to post it again. You do understand incentives since you're a capitalist.

LMAO. If/when you see it, you'll agree the content has no value. However, the value of a site is it's SERP, traffic etc.

 

Where's your website?

Where's your website?